Ferrari SF15-T Pre-Launch Speculation Thread

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Blackout wrote:
Juzh wrote:I could say the same for you. sorry man, renault has got you again with their empty promises of uber performing engine.
original article was from amus where it was said this engineer is in fact alan permane.
This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?

IMO you're the only person who sees ''empty promises and an'' ''uber performing'' engine in Renault's communication... I read French and German (maybe better than english) and I never saw such BS in their interviews. I often see the contrary :o :mrgreen:
Yeah, this is WAY off topic, not even a mention of something about any kind of Ferrari.

I personally think that it'll probably be closer to 40 or 50 hours difference between Renault and Mercedes and Ferrari probably have an extra 10 hp peak but their ers doesn't allow them to use it every lap. I say this because it's a combination between what taffin and scarbs said, both of whom I think are less prone to hyperbole than Horner.

Anyway, what interests me is what approach each team takes to engine development. I'd suggest that Ferrari (this is the Ferrari car thread) will want to fix cooling and ers issues right from the get go and then take an 'agile ' approach to further engine releases so that each development can be thoroughly tested and verified in isolation.

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f1316 wrote:
Blackout wrote:
Juzh wrote:I could say the same for you. sorry man, renault has got you again with their empty promises of uber performing engine.
original article was from amus where it was said this engineer is in fact alan permane.
This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?

IMO you're the only person who sees ''empty promises and an'' ''uber performing'' engine in Renault's communication... I read French and German (maybe better than english) and I never saw such BS in their interviews. I often see the contrary :o :mrgreen:
Yeah, this is WAY off topic, not even a mention of something about any kind of Ferrari.

I personally think that it'll probably be closer to 40 or 50 hours difference between Renault and Mercedes and Ferrari probably have an extra 10 hp peak but their ers doesn't allow them to use it every lap. I say this because it's a combination between what taffin and scarbs said, both of whom I think are less prone to hyperbole than Horner.

Anyway, what interests me is what approach each team takes to engine development. I'd suggest that Ferrari (this is the Ferrari car thread) will want to fix cooling and ers issues right from the get go and then take an 'agile ' approach to further engine releases so that each development can be thoroughly tested and verified in isolation.
hours of difference? not so good news then, they'll show up 3 days late for the race then.

If you'd ask me, i'd say Ferrari is the most prone of all to have developed a near-new engine.
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Blackout wrote: This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?
On top of that it might simply be that not all of them are talking about the same kind of HP.
Is it purely ICE HP?
Is it average one lap pre- charged all in HP including full ERS?
Is it peak all in HP including max ERS?
Is it sustainable average HP including ERS based on sustainable recovery?
=> On which Circuit?
=> In a close infight or rather in Lift and Coast mode?

There are so many variables that all of them could be right at the same time.

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Manoah2u wrote:
f1316 wrote:
Yeah, this is WAY off topic, not even a mention of something about any kind of Ferrari.

I personally think that it'll probably be closer to 40 or 50 hours difference between Renault and Mercedes and Ferrari probably have an extra 10 hp peak but their ers doesn't allow them to use it every lap. I say this because it's a combination between what taffin and scarbs said, both of whom I think are less prone to hyperbole than Horner.

Anyway, what interests me is what approach each team takes to engine development. I'd suggest that Ferrari (this is the Ferrari car thread) will want to fix cooling and ers issues right from the get go and then take an 'agile ' approach to further engine releases so that each development can be thoroughly tested and verified in isolation.
hours of difference? not so good news then, they'll show up 3 days late for the race then.

If you'd ask me, i'd say Ferrari is the most prone of all to have developed a near-new engine.
Predictive text issue, problem with typing on the phone - sorry. Was supposed to be 'hp' as in horsepower.

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Apparently the new steering wheel:
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lio007 wrote:Apparently the new steering wheel:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-M3Q7Kmd22Q4/V ... BF2015.png
This is the "real" Ferrari 2014 steering wheel:
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the one, signed as F14T used in the comparison don't seems to be the same. :)

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Blackout wrote:
Juzh wrote:I could say the same for you. sorry man, renault has got you again with their empty promises of uber performing engine.
original article was from amus where it was said this engineer is in fact alan permane.
This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?

IMO you're the only person who sees ''empty promises and an'' ''uber performing'' engine in Renault's communication... I read French and German (maybe better than english) and I never saw such BS in their interviews. I often see the contrary :o :mrgreen:
Seriously? I even said truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 50 or 60 bhp is still massive.
https://vimeo.com/109371409
jump to 3:38. Ric gets better traction, has a good momentum going on, still gets rekt by the FI. 40 bhp will not propel you that far forwards.
anyway. ot and old news.

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Link to the video with Gutierrez?
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

This may be a leaked picture of the 2015 Ferrari. Hideous nose again.
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If true noses are getting worst.

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Juzh wrote:
Blackout wrote:
Juzh wrote:I could say the same for you. sorry man, renault has got you again with their empty promises of uber performing engine.
original article was from amus where it was said this engineer is in fact alan permane.
This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?

IMO you're the only person who sees ''empty promises and an'' ''uber performing'' engine in Renault's communication... I read French and German (maybe better than english) and I never saw such BS in their interviews. I often see the contrary :o :mrgreen:
Seriously? I even said truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 50 or 60 bhp is still massive.
https://vimeo.com/109371409
jump to 3:38. Ric gets better traction, has a good momentum going on, still gets rekt by the FI. 40 bhp will not propel you that far forwards.
anyway. ot and old news.
You don't have the engine mods and battery level... so you can't come to that conclusion without those facts. Also the F1 has always been good in low downforce tracks.
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JaqDRipper wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

This may be a leaked picture of the 2015 Ferrari. Hideous nose again.
False: https://twitter.com/erteclas

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Oakstreet wrote:
JaqDRipper wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

This may be a leaked picture of the 2015 Ferrari. Hideous nose again.
False: https://twitter.com/erteclas

Thank God.

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kooleracer wrote: You don't have the engine mods and battery level... so you can't come to that conclusion without those facts. Also the F1 has always been good in low downforce tracks.
What battery level lol? Ric was hitting pretty much the same top speed all the time. And every lap he was getting left behind in the initial full throttle stage.
What's being good on low DF tracks has to do with low-mid acceleration? Even so, FI was sometimes (!) good on low df tracks and utterly sucked some other times.

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Juzh wrote:
Blackout wrote:
Juzh wrote:I could say the same for you. sorry man, renault has got you again with their empty promises of uber performing engine.
original article was from amus where it was said this engineer is in fact alan permane.
This is a bit OT but let's sum up:
-Taffin in a very measured manner and with some arguments says 40ps is more plausible.
-Scarbs says 50ps approximatively
-Horner and Markko who have been often caught red-handed exagerating things about the engine in the past, often gave different numbers, from 80 to 60hp...
-85hp might be the difference between the 2015 Merc and the 2014 Renault. why not? and in which conditions do we got that difference?

IMO you're the only person who sees ''empty promises and an'' ''uber performing'' engine in Renault's communication... I read French and German (maybe better than english) and I never saw such BS in their interviews. I often see the contrary :o :mrgreen:
Seriously? I even said truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 50 or 60 bhp is still massive.
https://vimeo.com/109371409
jump to 3:38. Ric gets better traction, has a good momentum going on, still gets rekt by the FI. 40 bhp will not propel you that far forwards.
anyway. ot and old news.
i think the missing piece of the puzzle here is torque