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I also feel comfortable sliding, and also felt weird first time ESP act. But that´s just we´re not used to that. Also, ESP is not designed to people like us who feel comfortable sliding, but for people who panic when feeling a slide. But even so, ESP can be VERY useful even for people like usBelatti wrote:I have tested several cars with ESP: Germans saloons the most. I dont like the feeling when they act and I dont have confidence nor trust them. I feel comfortable in a slidding car... The best vehicle I have ever driven in ice/snow was a 1998 Jeep Cherokee: I can do anything I want with that.Andres125sx wrote: If you´ve not tested ESP I recommend you to do it. I did once there was a good layer of snow on an empty and wide parking, and it´s awesome how ESP can control the car direction even when it´s skidding the four wheels moving 90 degrees sideways, you just need to move the wheel and the car will spin to that direction the same as if it would be rolling normally. With ESP off you can move the wheel all you want to any direction that the car will continue skidding sideways, no reaction.
It´s a fun and enlightening test
Yes I thoght the same, with that lips and that grey color I first tought it was a lamboPlatinumZealot wrote:It got some "Lambo lips"
I wonder who downvoted this and didn´t provide a reason.... it´s factually correct, correctly explained, based on real world experience....Andres125sx wrote:False. I don´t think the above example is correct, as ABS is not that good, on some situation it could even be a problem. Snow, mud, gravel... here no ABS will be way more effective as locking wheels provide extra drag. And even on tarmac a skilled driver can do as good as ABSBelatti wrote:Computers aids for road cars are done for average users. A skilled driver will always do better.
But ESP is definitely something no driver can do. Not even Sebastian Loeb can control a car as ESP does. Breaking single wheels as ESP do provide yaw control, something a driver can´t do no matter how good he is. We´d need to control front and rear brakes separately to do so. And front-rear brakes distribution can´t help here
We have some yaw control with the front wheels, but not even close to what ESP can do braking one single wheel, only the one needed at a time, the difference is huge. Moreover, with front wheels we have control only to some angle, once the car has spun more than that angle, front wheels have no control over the car, while ESP will control the car no matter what angle it is skidding
If you´ve not tested ESP I recommend you to do it. I did once there was a good layer of snow on an empty and wide parking, and it´s awesome how ESP can control the car direction even when it´s skidding the four wheels moving 90 degrees sideways, you just need to move the wheel and the car will spin to that direction the same as if it would be rolling normally. With ESP off you can move the wheel all you want to any direction that the car will continue skidding sideways, no reaction.
It´s a fun and enlightening test
The best sounding F1 car ever and the first I saw at 12 years old in Buenos Aires GP in a fridays april cold wet morning, 1995.MadMatt wrote:Yes, this is like comparing the sound of the F1 SF15-T and the Ferrari 412T2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SoZiTxdQyw
There is no comparison...
I will upvote just because I find the donwvote wrong, for the things you expleined. Even if I do not agree with you because of the underlined statements and still think ESP is weird and also cos my paranoid braind tells me a computer braking the car for me is sh*t..Andres125sx wrote:I wonder who downvoted this and didn´t provide a reason.... it´s factually correct, correctly explained, based on real world experience....Andres125sx wrote:False. I don´t think the above example is correct, as ABS is not that good, on some situation it could even be a problem. Snow, mud, gravel... here no ABS will be way more effective as locking wheels provide extra drag. And even on tarmac a skilled driver can do as good as ABSBelatti wrote:Computers aids for road cars are done for average users. A skilled driver will always do better.
But ESP is definitely something no driver can do. Not even Sebastian Loeb can control a car as ESP does. Breaking single wheels as ESP do provide yaw control, something a driver can´t do no matter how good he is. We´d need to control front and rear brakes separately to do so. And front-rear brakes distribution can´t help here
We have some yaw control with the front wheels, but not even close to what ESP can do braking one single wheel, only the one needed at a time, the difference is huge. Moreover, with front wheels we have control only to some angle, once the car has spun more than that angle, front wheels have no control over the car, while ESP will control the car no matter what angle it is skidding
If you´ve not tested ESP I recommend you to do it. I did once there was a good layer of snow on an empty and wide parking, and it´s awesome how ESP can control the car direction even when it´s skidding the four wheels moving 90 degrees sideways, you just need to move the wheel and the car will spin to that direction the same as if it would be rolling normally. With ESP off you can move the wheel all you want to any direction that the car will continue skidding sideways, no reaction.
It´s a fun and enlightening test
