Alonso's Crash

[FrukostScones]

AlexS on autosports forums:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/09-03- ... 8801.shtml



Briatori:



Quote

"La botta non è stata così drammatica e forte, bisogna vedere se magari è stato un problema di sterzo, a volte è capitato in passato. Noi non abbiamo avuto nessuna informazione da parte della McLaren, quello che è successo è una cosa molto strana, Ron Dennis non ha chiarito, speriamo che prima o poi si chiarisca, c'è un'investigazione della Fia e dovremmo sapere quello che è successo, per la tranquillità di tutti"





My own translation:

"The accident was not dramatic or strong, must be seen if there was a steering problem, it has occurred many times in past(i think he refers to F1 in general). We didn't get any information from Mclaren. What happened was a very strange thing,

Ron Dennis has not clarified(what happened) and we hope sooner or later he clarifies it. There is a FIA investigation going on and we all should know what happened for everyone tranquility."

so Briatore from camp ALO says he has seen footage of the crash happening and commented it being strange and McLaren not very open...

also: http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/49677/ ... -di-alonso

[FrukostScones]

BBC translation article of Briatore comments:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/31806850

[f1universe]

If the car had a failure, McLaren better comes clean about it, at least with Alonso in private. I doubt Alonso or any driver for that matter will go racing not knowing the reason of the crash. The wind excuse is a little fishy, if we believe the info out there, Alonso did not faint before the impact and nothing is wrong with his health, the only thing left is the car.

McLaren can't hide a mechanical failure from him, not only for his sake but for the sake of a healty relationship between him and the team.

[SectorOne]

Quite sure telemetry stores such data.

not with the selected telemetry data i proposed.

And then what? Fairly certain this was already answered.

what do you mean and then what? Ive already explained the then what part.

It still leaves a huge hole in everything though; Why Alonso was in the hospital and why he misses the Australian GP, which is the thing telemetry can't answer.

find out the cause, know the effect.

Also, it would only add to the speculation because people who see a few numbers will just shove it down everyones throats just to be right in their paranoid theories

sure... And a pr release containing zero facts is better..

Releasing the data wont help anything.

oh it will, you might not be able to have any use for it but mclaren have and we will.

[ChrisF1]

I doubt Alonso or any driver for that matter will go racing not knowing the reason of the crash.

Except that Button and Magnussen continued to test the car, and everybody else is driving a completely different car.. intrigued to know how you come to the conclusion that drivers won't race?

[NathanOlder]

According to Ben Edwards (BBC Commentator), I have a work colleague who knows him personally, it was an electric shock to Fernando that caused the crash.

[CHEVIC]

Well, Antonio Lobato, f1 reporter who is very near to Alonso says here (as if it didn't matter or something) "Fernando believes something broke in the car". I was seeing tv and saw it, and made me curious. You can believe he did talk to Fernando as they both are very near.

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/notici ... 00232.html

I am confused is now Alonso OK ? He remembers the incident ? Because there is no news of his situation after the information that he thought he is 13. Or this 13 thing was a joke?

[Richard]

One Spanish source suggested the 13 year old thing. It's twaddle.

Briatore says he has seen the video and spoken to Alonso. Briatore comment is that he & Alonso are wondering if something broke - "we have to see", ie the FIA investigation.

Meanwhile someone at the BBC is having fun with this headline on their F1 page:

Alonso v Button: respect & aggression

Sparks could fly between Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/

[lebesset]

According to Ben Edwards (BBC Commentator), I have a work colleague who knows him personally, it was an electric shock to Fernando that caused the crash.

perhaps ben edwards doesn't realise that the blood tests showed there was no electric shock

personally I am content to wait to see the FIA report , but here's my preview

alonso tried a faster line from the beginning of the lap , got too wide on turn 3 , lost car , got hit by strong gust of wind , couldn't recover , hit wall

[FrukostScones]

According to Ben Edwards (BBC Commentator), I have a work colleague who knows him personally, it was an electric shock to Fernando that caused the crash.

perhaps ben edwards doesn't realise that the blood tests showed there was no electric shock

personally I am content to wait to see the FIA report , but here's my preview

alonso tried a faster line from the beginning of the lap , got too wide on turn 3 , lost car , got hit by strong gust of wind , couldn't recover , hit wall

the doctors never spoke and never will speak to the public

@ NathanOlder pretty interesting if true, but a bold thing to post, expect to get ridiculed! also maybe elsewise a dangerous thing to post, especially when true (the electro thing as a fact)

[NathanOlder]

According to Ben Edwards (BBC Commentator), I have a work colleague who knows him personally, it was an electric shock to Fernando that caused the crash.

perhaps ben edwards doesn't realise that the blood tests showed there was no electric shock

personally I am content to wait to see the FIA report , but here's my preview

alonso tried a faster line from the beginning of the lap , got too wide on turn 3 , lost car , got hit by strong gust of wind , couldn't recover , hit wall

the doctors never spoke and never will speak to the public

@ NathanOlder pretty interesting if true, but a bold thing to post, expect to get ridiculed! also maybe elsewise a dangerous thing to post, especially when true (the electro thing as a fact)

Im just going on what someone told me that supposidly came from a source of some quality (way better than any cr@p thats read in the papers), thought id share it with you guys, If no one wants to know I can easily remove it, no skin off my nose.

[motobaleno]

perhaps ben edwards doesn't realise that the blood tests showed there was no electric shock

personally I am content to wait to see the FIA report , but here's my preview

alonso tried a faster line from the beginning of the lap , got too wide on turn 3 , lost car , got hit by strong gust of wind , couldn't recover , hit wall

Don't be so positive on the blood tests. They work for a major shock...do we know how big it should be to loose a F1 car? may be not so big...
Today Jaques villeneuve completely excluded the wind theory. He used to drive F1 car not so much time ago...I guess he knows what he is saying

[Manoah2u]

Well, Antonio Lobato, f1 reporter who is very near to Alonso says here (as if it didn't matter or something) "Fernando believes something broke in the car". I was seeing tv and saw it, and made me curious. You can believe he did talk to Fernando as they both are very near.

http://www.antena3.com/formula-1/notici ... 00232.html

I am confused is now Alonso OK ? He remembers the incident ?

did it say that? from analysis and experience one can come to a certain conclusion without needing the memory on the actual incident.

[wesley123]

Quite sure telemetry stores such data.

not with the selected telemetry data i proposed.

So you are just releasing half of the numbers? That doesn't give the full picture. Plus, it opens the door for everyone to say that McLaren is hiding stuff.

And then what? Fairly certain this was already answered.

what do you mean and then what? Ive already explained the then what part.

Quite certain a press release had already explained what suspected the cause of the crash(Heavy winds)

It still leaves a huge hole in everything though; Why Alonso was in the hospital and why he misses the Australian GP, which is the thing telemetry can't answer.

find out the cause, know the effect.

Except Telemetry wont show the effects and will only open the door wide for conspiracy theories.

Also, it would only add to the speculation because people who see a few numbers will just shove it down everyones throats just to be right in their paranoid theories

sure... And a pr release containing zero facts is better..

It is.

Releasing the data wont help anything.

oh it will, you might not be able to have any use for it but mclaren have and we will.

No it wont. It only opens the door for everyone to back up their theories with data they know absolutely nothing about.

All Telemetry will show is if something in the car itself caused the crash, which will answer nothing in the whole discussion because it doesn't answer, nor give any signs towards why Alonso was in the hospital for so long and misses the Australian GP.

Also, only releasing a few numbers tells nothing. Imagine if doctors did such a thing, sounds pretty bad doesn't it?

[Andres125sx]

No it wont. It only opens the door for everyone to back up their theories with data they know absolutely nothing about.

All Telemetry will show is if something in the car itself caused the crash, which will answer nothing in the whole discussion because it doesn't answer, nor give any signs towards why Alonso was in the hospital for so long and misses the Australian GP.

Sorry but what?

Telemetry show it all, from any driver input to downforce levels. If you see driver stopped moving the wheel and didn´t hit the brakes you´d know he had some sort of blackout before the crash. If you see downforce sudendly decreased you´d know wind played its role. If you see some weird input to some pedal or the wheel you could argue about an electrical shock.You can even see if he went out of the track to the astroturf before going to the wall

Basically you see it all on telemetry


And Alonso was in hospital for so long because he suffered a concusion, same as Perez in Monaco 11 who missed next GP