Sauber F1 Team 2015

[Manoah2u]

"We are disappointed with this decision and now need to take time to understand what it means and the impact it will have on the start of our season," team boss Monisha Kaltenborn said. "What we cannot do is jeopardise the safety of our team, or any other driver on the track, by having an unprepared driver in a car that has now been tailored to two other assigned drivers."
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Kaltenborn still keeping up the bogus argument about safety. The guy raced for Caterham 2 years ago for Christ sake. And the guy did the in-season test for Sauber on the 9th of July of 2014. How the hell is he not ready to drive? If Roy Nissany and Aderely Fong can drive a Sauber i'm pretty sure that VdG will be oke.....

Guido NEVER sat in this new car, has no idea how it works, and you would be ok with it if he'd start at the back of the grid after not qualifying , not knowing any brake points, brake bite points, grip points etc?

there IS the actual possibility he'll do a grosjean at the first corner and crash into a couple of cars because he has no idea how the car behaves.

nationalistic pride should not come before other people's safety [including that of one's own safety].

[Slife]

"We are disappointed with this decision and now need to take time to understand what it means and the impact it will have on the start of our season," team boss Monisha Kaltenborn said. "What we cannot do is jeopardise the safety of our team, or any other driver on the track, by having an unprepared driver in a car that has now been tailored to two other assigned drivers."
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/sauber/motorsport/ ... Ev52G3U.99

Kaltenborn still keeping up the bogus argument about safety. The guy raced for Caterham 2 years ago for Christ sake. And the guy did the in-season test for Sauber on the 9th of July of 2014. How the hell is he not ready to drive? If Roy Nissany and Aderely Fong can drive a Sauber i'm pretty sure that VdG will be oke.....

Guido NEVER sat in this new car, has no idea how it works, and you would be ok with it if he'd start at the back of the grid after not qualifying , not knowing any brake points, brake bite points, grip points etc?

there IS the actual possibility he'll do a grosjean at the first corner and crash into a couple of cars because he has no idea how the car behaves.

nationalistic pride should not come before other people's safety [including that of one's own safety].

How does this have any relevance to the fact the courts have ruled vdG is to be one of Sauber's drivvers for the 2015 Championship ?

[kooleracer]

"We are disappointed with this decision and now need to take time to understand what it means and the impact it will have on the start of our season," team boss Monisha Kaltenborn said. "What we cannot do is jeopardise the safety of our team, or any other driver on the track, by having an unprepared driver in a car that has now been tailored to two other assigned drivers."
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/sauber/motorsport/ ... Ev52G3U.99

Kaltenborn still keeping up the bogus argument about safety. The guy raced for Caterham 2 years ago for Christ sake. And the guy did the in-season test for Sauber on the 9th of July of 2014. How the hell is he not ready to drive? If Roy Nissany and Aderely Fong can drive a Sauber i'm pretty sure that VdG will be oke.....

Guido NEVER sat in this new car, has no idea how it works, and you would be ok with it if he'd start at the back of the grid after not qualifying , not knowing any brake points, brake bite points, grip points etc?

there IS the actual possibility he'll do a grosjean at the first corner and crash into a couple of cars because he has no idea how the car behaves.

nationalistic pride should not come before other people's safety [including that of one's own safety].

You do know you have 3 free practice session before the race right? And he has an idea how its works because he drove the 2014 Sauber during the Silverstone test last year. This is not his first go in F1. If it was i would totally agree with your arguments. But the guy has valuable experience in F1 and also in the new hybrid area. He is not just some rookie.

[Manoah2u]

How does this have any relevance to the fact the courts have ruled vdG is to be one of Sauber's drivvers for the 2015 Championship ?

because Sauber is stating it is life threatening dangerous for Guido to participate in the race on sunday.
They're offcourse trying to keep both of their current drivers in the car, to avoid having more legal issues.

however, to think they don't have a valid point isn't reasonable either.

You do know you have 3 free practice session before the race right? And he has an idea how its works because he drove the 2014 Sauber during the Silverstone test last year. This is not his first go in F1. If it was i would totally agree with your arguments. But the guy has valuable experience in F1 and also in the new hybrid area. He is not just some rookie.

you do know there is no ruling on the practices? but it's all about sunday race day?
valueable experience means squad. He is a rookie in the c34 sauber. He has no possibility to adjust to the car. Sauber will not let him in the car either way untill sunday because the rulings are not on practice or qually.

he has zero feeling , connection or experience with the 2015 sauber c34.

[kooleracer]

How does this have any relevance to the fact the courts have ruled vdG is to be one of Sauber's drivvers for the 2015 Championship ?

because Sauber is stating it is life threatening dangerous for Guido to participate in the race on sunday.
They're offcourse trying to keep both of their current drivers in the car, to avoid having more legal issues.

however, to think they don't have a valid point isn't reasonable either.

You do know you have 3 free practice session before the race right? And he has an idea how its works because he drove the 2014 Sauber during the Silverstone test last year. This is not his first go in F1. If it was i would totally agree with your arguments. But the guy has valuable experience in F1 and also in the new hybrid area. He is not just some rookie.

you do know there is no ruling on the practices? but it's all about sunday race day?
valueable experience means squad. He is a rookie in the c34 sauber. He has no possibility to adjust to the car. Sauber will not let him in the car either way untill sunday because the rulings are not on practice or qually.

he has zero feeling , connection or experience with the 2015 sauber c34.

So then Stevens, Merhi and (Magnussen 39 laps) also shouldn't race at Melbourne? That is what you are saying? Manoah2u I you are clearly well respected on the forum (score), but don't make a fool out of yourself by saying that VdG is danger on the grid. Because he hasn't run the 2015 car. Its not like he coming from MotoGP and stepping in a F1 car without any prior experience.

[bill shoe]

So what are Sauber's realistic options IF IF IF the Australian court decides to enforce its decision?

It seems clear that Sauber has no money to pay a significant settlement to GVDG, nor any ability to make a credible commitment to pay in the future. Therefore no settlement will occur.

Sauber can put GVDG in a car and kick out one of the other drivers. The other driver will likely not have time to take Sauber to court before the start of the race. Sauber will participate in this weekend's race.

Sauber issues a terse press release saying they will not compromise safety, therefore they will not participate in the weekends events. They go to next country and hope the court and/or its enforcement is more lax. They can opt out of (I think) up to three races this year before they start taking big hits from their Bernie/FOM money.

Anyone else see any other realistic options for how this will play out?

[Manoah2u]

I dont think that's possible, or let's just say, i don't believe there is a reasonable way to act to the ruling.

indeed, it remains to be seen whether the Australian 'enforcers' either are oblidged to act, or willing to act in this manner.
They will not do anything out of themselves, so there has to be a 'demand' to act. Given, this could come from Guido's [management] when Sauber does not comply to the rulings.

However, if i am correct, these rulings can only apply to race day sunday. They are contractually oblidged to have guido participating in a f1 race weekend. I've read about Guido racing on sunday according to his own words, i can't recall seeing anything about FP's or Qually. That could imply the only moment where Sauber would breach contract would be on Sunday at the moment the race starts.

But at this point, both sauber cars are underway, and there can't be nothing blocked. So guido can demand whatever he wants at this moment, the race is underway and nothing can be done. The FIA will probably not respond to the situation and DSQ either driver, that would be rediculous.
I wonder whether Sauber can deny Guido entrance to their paddock complex / garage.

I think Sauber this weekend will act in all their power to make sure Ericsson and Nasr participate in the race, so they only have to deal with 1 situation. If for some reason guido steps in the car, they'll have 2 situations. If law enforcers arrest or block the cars from participating, that's a situation, too.

[AnthonyG]

Come to think of it, if the Sauber is fast enough, they'll score points and be able to pay of Giedo's contract. Problem solved for both.

If the car is fast enough that is.

[Manoah2u]

So then Stevens, Merhi and (Magnussen 39 laps) also shouldn't race at Melbourne? That is what you are saying?

stevens merhi and magnussen have all experience in their respective vehicles when the race starts.
when guido steps in on sunday, he has zero experience.

and keep away from trying to make other board members condoned as foolish, especially if you're bordering these criterea yourself much more, thank you.

[Sniffit]

Anyone else see any other realistic options for how this will play out?

If they can, they will appeal the ruling and ask for a stay of the enforcement. Not sure how the aussie appeals process works.

If not they will gather the drivers and ferrari, hammer out a deal where Ericsson does not drive this weekend in favor of vdG. After the weekend vdG either move on to Manor F1 or get a test drive position with Sauber and two or three guaranteed FP1s over the season.

[kooleracer]

OK, ruling is already here. Now it gets interesting. The Australian court has simply printed a piece of paper that says "GVDG should drive for Sauber". That by itself is useful to wipe your butt with and nothing more.

Will the Australian court choose to enforce it? Do they have any functional authority to enforce their decisions within the paddock of an F1 race? Will Bernie chose to let Australian court officers into the paddock? Will the court officers actually stand in front of the Sauber garage door and block the cars? These are the relevant questions.

Bill, you have to understand that the court order has jurisdiction in the whole of Australia. Also the judge explicitly said that if Mr.Van Der Garde has any problem enforcing the verdict. He should call his office and he will help them with enforcing the order. Its not just a verdict its a court order. Australia is not a cowboy state, laws do actually mean something. Bernie has no say in this matter that is why he hasn't got involved in the matter. As long as Sauber are in Australia the court order is binding and they should adhere to it. If V/D Garde isn't racing on Sunday that can only mean that both parties have found a settlement. If Sauber is going to appeal the verdict, and this appeal is pushed beyond the race weekend then Sauber is fine to race. But because off the media attention and because the judge's ruling was quite clear i'm sure any appeal would be dealt with in a timely fashion.

[kooleracer]

So then Stevens, Merhi and (Magnussen 39 laps) also shouldn't race at Melbourne? That is what you are saying?

stevens merhi and magnussen have all experience in their respective vehicles when the race starts.
when guido steps in on sunday, he has zero experience.

and keep away from trying to make other board members condoned as foolish, especially if you're bordering these criterea yourself much more, thank you.

So when did Merhi en Stevens drove the 2015 Manor car, to be precise? Have I missed something? V/D Garde contract has a race contract.

[Manoah2u]

So then Stevens, Merhi and (Magnussen 39 laps) also shouldn't race at Melbourne? That is what you are saying?

stevens merhi and magnussen have all experience in their respective vehicles when the race starts.
when guido steps in on sunday, he has zero experience.

and keep away from trying to make other board members condoned as foolish, especially if you're bordering these criterea yourself much more, thank you.

So when did Merhi en Stevens drove the 2015 Manor car, to be precise?

are you kidding me? in coming FP1, FP2, FP3 and Qually. whereas Guido will have none. read.

[Sniffit]

I am on a cellphone so searching is rather slow and cumbersome, does anyone have a link to the actual judgement?

[threep]

How does vdG's stature compare to the two 'resident' Sauber drivers? If Sauber's position that it would be dangerous is related just to the lack of experience in the current car then that can be solved by letting him drive all the practice sessions, but if he is noticeably bigger/taller than the other two (and any reserve drivers) then in a practical sense they might be unable to adapt the car at such short notice, whatever any court says.