New engine regulation ideas from the manufacturers

[SectorOne]

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 27 minför 27 minuter sedan
#F1 Ferrari suggested 2,2l V8 twin turbo, revlimit 17.000/min, no MGU-H, standardised KERS & Turbo for new engine formula.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 19 minför 19 minuter sedan
#F1 Honda open for new engine development. During the discussion, Honda mentioned idea of 4 electrical in-hub motors.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 16 minför 16 minuter sedan
#F1 Mercedes wants to change as little as possible. Especially no standard turbo. Agreed increase of fuel & fuel flow limits for more power.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 4 minför 4 minuter sedan
Introduction of new #F1 engine formula probably not before 2017. If manufacurers can't agree, Ecclestone threatens to decide on his own.

[Juzh]

Man, the struggle is real in F1 these days
It seems bernie has the deciding vote in his hands, so it could be a bad sign for merc. Bernie already said the sport cant "afford" even a single another year of utter dominance.
Maybe common sense will prevail for once and they'll simply go with upping the fuel flow and tank capacity.

[MOWOG]

"Bernie" and "common sense" do not go together in a single sentence.

[KeiKo403]

"Bernie" and "common sense" do not go together in a single sentence.

Sure they do:
Bernie has no common sense!

[Manoah2u]

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 27 minför 27 minuter sedan
#F1 Ferrari suggested 2,2l V8 twin turbo, revlimit 17.000/min, no MGU-H, standardised KERS & Turbo for new engine formula.

will not happen in a million years.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 19 minför 19 minuter sedan
#F1 Honda open for new engine development. During the discussion, Honda mentioned idea of 4 electrical in-hub motors.

quite possible by a good margin, but not before 2020.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 16 minför 16 minuter sedan
#F1 Mercedes wants to change as little as possible. Especially no standard turbo. Agreed increase of fuel & fuel flow limits for more power.

Agree on this, no way the turbo will be standardized. Not likely.

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener 4 minför 4 minuter sedan
Introduction of new #F1 engine formula probably not before 2017. If manufacurers can't agree, Ecclestone threatens to decide on his own.

Manufacturers definately will NOT agree.

Ferrari will try and veto and boycott by threatening to leave,
Bernie will be up to his fun tricks by saying 'they can leave if they want'.

And it wouldn't even be that unreasonable by Bernie because you can't keep living in the jurassic era.

Automobile industry is changing, and petrol and diesel engines are slowly becoming 'obsolete'.
The ONLY way for Ferrari to actually survive into the future is to EMBRACE electric powering
and becoming the BEST in that field.
They have all the facility, respect and money to their disposal to make themselves the very BEST motorsport electric
manufacturer. If they have the slightest amount of smartness in their brains, then they'll aim for becoming the very best
electric sportscar provider in the world. V8 2.2 l engines are totally unreasonable. Can't even believe they proposed such
a rediculous idea. they have 2 options; go extinct or become the best.

Of all manufacturers, Ferrari has the potential to re-invent themselves making them even more popular and more legendary by fully embracing and entering the electric automotive branch by becoming the most advanced electric supercar/sportscar builder ever. Mclaren will definately go there in the future, Ferrari better beat them to it. In the
meanwhile, Tesla is gaining terrain. Ferrari should go hand in hand with Tesla.

If they are so stone-aged headed that they want completely obsolete engines [ V8 engines ],
then there is no room for Ferrari in F1 anymore. It's their own call.
They can be a part of F1 if they wish. They should.

But even american manufacturers are slowly stepping away from V8 powertrains.
V6 powertrains are starting to win from V8 engines more and more, and with 4-cilinder engines
like that in the new Mustang, it's a definate predecessor for the start of the end of the V8 engine.

I reckon nascar will slowly transfer into V6 Turbo engines in about 10 years, give or take, living alongside eachother
V6T vs V8 NA for a good near-decade, when finally it'll be V6T only in Nascar.

[MOWOG]

I reckon nascar will slowly transfer into V6 Turbo engines in about 10 years,

Nope. Never gonna happen. NASCAR will cling to its pushrods and carburetors until Bill France's face gets added to Mt. Rushmore!

[giantfan10]

Ferrari have a veto and will use it when they see it fit....i dont know about "try to use it"
pretty funny when in the last 10 years the only teams i recall threatening to leave if they didnt get their way has been mercedes and red bull.
maybe you need to take a closer look at the nascar fan base before you make that kind of speculation. i'm willing to bet that approx 70 percent of the people at an average track on a race weekend owns a V8 or 2 in their personal vehicles
get out of the major US cities and the V8 and enormous diesels are king

[chip engineer]

I reckon nascar will slowly transfer into V6 Turbo engines in about 10 years,

Nope. Never gonna happen. NASCAR will cling to its pushrods and carburetors until Bill France's face gets added to Mt. Rushmore!

NASCAR has already given up carburetors.
Since they run large pushrod V8s at 10,000 rpm, why not a 2L pushrod turbo V6 at 10,000 rpm?

[acosmichippo]

just let them do whatever they want. problem solved.

[astracrazy]

give cars full ground effects, fan suction twin turbo V10s, double suspensions and uber fat tyres, just wear a g suit, this is what F1 has to become no boundaries and the pinnacle of motorsport just like it should be.

The tracks would become unsafe very quickly allowing such speeds

[f1316]

just let them do whatever they want. problem solved.

This is the real ideal scenario, if you ask me.

That is, give teams the following problem:

- you must only use x fuel (say 120kgs)
- you must not exceed x fuel flow (something higher than current so as improve sound)
- maybe it's a disqualification if you don't, or maybe you have to carry more weight if you exceed these

But then it's an engineering challenge to find the best way to solve this.

If Ferrari think they can do a v12 hybrid like the LaFerrari, go for it.

If Porsche want to come in and use a V6, why not.

Doesn't jive with cost reductions, I know, but would be more interesting.

[astracrazy]

It would be a good idea, but you would need a few more base rules than that to try and keep the costs down.

[SectorOne]

Maybe horsepower/weight ratio?

So you can have as many horses as you want but it comes with a price of added weight.
Engine regs completely open other then it has to be a piston engine running on current regulations of fuel.

Or would people simply go for the lightest car they can make and take whatever horsepower they get with that?
Driver weight issue would be solved through driver weight plus personal weight which equates to x amount of kilos regardless of how heavy and light a driver is.
And with the weight added behind the back of the driver to minimize CoG advantages.

Aero regs slightly loosened to what we currently have.

[turbof1]

Aero regs slightly loosened to what we currently have. Aero regs slightly loosened to what we currently have.

I was recently thinking about freezing the whole car (bar of course the engine) and then every year specifying a few areas to develop. These areas would be relative open to develop, but will be freezed at the end of the year.

You'd still have quite a bit of development due more possibilities as the rules are very much loosened in the specified areas, yet you'd still be controlling costs.

[toraabe]

Stick with the current V6, since they already are developed.
Then give the team the right amount of fuel. ( 130 kg )
Then it is uo to the tem how you are using it.
Overtakte buttons and so- on that gives you 300 hp extra..