Mclaren Honda 2015

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Manoah2u wrote:
windwaves wrote:excuse me Mr trinidefender, are you try to deny the reality of the disastrous season so far for MCL ? that is a fact.
Are you trying to deny the disastrous testing sessions in pre-season? that is a fact.

Yes they showed good stuff in FP2 and I can only hope it is the beginning of a come back. However, no matter what, it will take a long time for the team to get back around the top, where they belong.
excuse you mr windwaves, are you constantly trying to put mclaren down? that is a fact too. jeesh give it a rest.
no, sorry it is not meant in a negative way, but I am strong believer that denying the reality of the situation does not help and should not help fans or whomever. My apparent negativism is really the opposite. Lets accept failure then we can react, rebuild and unleash optimism. I am a F1 fan from the old days and do not doubt my passion for a team like McL.

To put it simply I really did not expect things to go so bad this first Honda season, which, please please please, does not mean that I expected them to fight at the top either.

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Felipe 92 wrote:
Miguel wrote:
mikeerfol wrote:Traffic for both drivers, we'll have to wait for quali to see their true potential.
Alonso's last Q2 lap seemed quite bad, especially on S2. However, Q3 was out of reach. I can't see them making it in Monaco either if Brundle's impression on drivability still holds in a week.
He made a mistake on his last Q2 lap in turn 7.
There was a big mistake, and I watched at least one more on a fast corner to the right, maybe turn 4, but the car oversteer. Also, in turn 5 he went a bit long.

Far from a perfect lap, but I agree Q3 was out of reach

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windwaves wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:
windwaves wrote:excuse me Mr trinidefender, are you try to deny the reality of the disastrous season so far for MCL ? that is a fact.
Are you trying to deny the disastrous testing sessions in pre-season? that is a fact.

Yes they showed good stuff in FP2 and I can only hope it is the beginning of a come back. However, no matter what, it will take a long time for the team to get back around the top, where they belong.
excuse you mr windwaves, are you constantly trying to put mclaren down? that is a fact too. jeesh give it a rest.
no, sorry it is not meant in a negative way, but I am strong believer that denying the reality of the situation does not help and should not help fans or whomever. My apparent negativism is really the opposite. Lets accept failure then we can react, rebuild and unleash optimism. I am a F1 fan from the old days and do not doubt my passion for a team like McL.

To put it simply I really did not expect things to go so bad this first Honda season, which, please please please, does not mean that I expected them to fight at the top either.
Yes this is frustrating, but since we all know this season was going to be some sort of pre-season for 2016, the important thing is not the beginning, but the end, to see if they really can fight for something next season.

Obviously first races were embarrasing, but we´re watching constant development, many people agree the car has a lot of potential, and there still are 15 races left, so I think you should be a bit more patient

Today Alonso stated the PU still has a lot of potential to develop, and considering they´re not that far right now...

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Jenson was just half a second slower than previous year:
2014: 8. J. Button McLaren 01:27.335

2015: 14. Jenson Button McLaren 1:27.854


Not to bad, must they are improving reace by race. Hope they can get good laptimes in the race, with good tyre deg.

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windwaves wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:
windwaves wrote:excuse me Mr trinidefender, are you try to deny the reality of the disastrous season so far for MCL ? that is a fact.
Are you trying to deny the disastrous testing sessions in pre-season? that is a fact.

Yes they showed good stuff in FP2 and I can only hope it is the beginning of a come back. However, no matter what, it will take a long time for the team to get back around the top, where they belong.

excuse you mr windwaves, are you constantly trying to put mclaren down? that is a fact too. jeesh give it a rest.
no, sorry it is not meant in a negative way, but I am strong believer that denying the reality of the situation does not help and should not help fans or whomever. My apparent negativism is really the opposite. Lets accept failure then we can react, rebuild and unleash optimism. I am a F1 fan from the old days and do not doubt my passion for a team like McL.

To put it simply I really did not expect things to go so bad this first Honda season, which, please please please, does not mean that I expected them to fight at the top either.
Yes this is frustrating, but since we all know this season was going to be some sort of pre-season for 2016, the important thing is not the beginning, but the end, to see if they really can fight for something next season.

Obviously first races were embarrasing, but we´re watching constant development, many people agree the car has a lot of potential, and there still are 15 races left, so I think you should be a bit more patient

Today Alonso stated the PU still has a lot of potential to develop, and considering they´re not that far right now...
yes, we all knew it was going to be sort of a pre-season for 2016, but I really hoped for a better start. Yes, I agree, patience is the key, I have a ton. I have very little though for b/s :) (not directed at you personally).

Possibly we could interpret the season so far as a bit of progress, I can only hope that it is indeed the case that the base they are working with is really a potential to be exploited, not so sure though.

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That Race was kind of a big Punch in the Guts. Being overtaken by Maldonado who was missing a whole RW Endplate was painful. I was really hoping they could fight for Points from this Race on but seems like they have gone backwards. Even FI who doesn't really develop their Car seems to have found more Performance. Alonso's Brake failure was purely bad luck though.

On to Monaco, never lose faith.
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Alonso believes that finishing p9 or p10 was possible had the brake failure not have happened. Maybe it looks worse than it actually is.
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Patience is they key.
Red bull bought Jaguar for the 2005 season and it took them four years to have a race winning car, 5 years for a title winning car, it takes time to recruit the right people, Newey went there in 06, peter prod followed him and it takes time for everyone to bed in, Christian Horner too.
Mercedes bought out Brawn for the 2010 season and managed at race winning car for the 2013 season, a title winning car for the 2014 season.
It all takes time and money.
Mclaren and Honda are at best going to have a race winning car for 2016, more likely just a podium contending package, the following season a race winning and a brief title challenging car and the season after that a title challenging worthy car, that's best case scenario I will add, anything can happen.
Let's see how it all unfolds, I can understand the Alonso and button fans getting inpatient, those two drivers' time is running out, more than likely when Mclaren and Honda are ready to challenge the title, Stoffel Vandorome and Kevin Magnussen will be the drivers for the team, or more worryingly a Japanese driver or maybe another driver in the twilight of his career at that point, Lewis Hamilton? :P
Just a fan's point of view

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Dipesh1995 wrote:Alonso believes that finishing p9 or p10 was possible had the brake failure not have happened. Maybe it looks worse than it actually is.
I think so. If there was no accident with rear brakes, maybe we would be talking about how positive those points are, all that with the worst performing engine on the grid (currently)

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I mean, Ricciardo and Kvyat are P7 and P10 with similar top speed and using their new and famous aero upgrade.

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[url]http://f1weekends.com/visor-tear-off-ca ... ilure//url]
Tear off caused brake failure.

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Wow that sounds terrible, but at the same time Alonso was doing a good race and the car seemed not so bad in his hands. Perhaps Button had a problem or a bad choice with the set-up.

Monaco could be a disaster if they car is so bad to drive.

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McLaren-Honda. A marriage in crisis?

"A couple of races I was talking to one of his engineers and told me they were tired of the Japanese" said Jorda to the SER

"He said the Japanese want to try all the things two or three times but McLaren internal engineers say they know that will not work and it is better to go another way. That is what is making them lose much time, " she continued.

http://www.thebestf1.es/mclaren-honda-u ... en-crisis/#