High Performance Road Cars VS Bikes.

[J.A.W.]

But I fear we didn't quite get the point of this topic... I actually stopped reading most posts after "dodging traffic" on public roads and ghostrider references were made. :S

"...Stopped reading..." L.O.L... When did you start?

FYI Phil, you will never get a grasp on this thread topic if you studiously ignore the presented data.. L.O.L..

Way back on page 2, I put up the times for production Supercars around another famous natural G.P. track,
Laguna Seca, & noted that the WBSK Superbike times were significantly quicker..

[J.A.W.]

@ Emaren, - I appreciate your cogent, well considered input..

Interestingly, I too have been getting around locally on a bicycle, simply as a convenience,
(& a bit of exercise) but when sharing the road, it does present as a much more potentially
vulnerable machine to operate- even compared to a motorcycle..

[f1316]

Nothing anyone says is going to settle this...

...but I thought this was interesting:

2014 circuit of the americas f1 pole time: 1:36.067
2015 circuit of the americas MotoGP pole time: 2:02.135

[J.A.W.]

"Settle" what?

Certainly, the ~5G worth of F1 aero-downforce beats the ~2G of Moto G.P.@ ~60 degree bank - for cornering speed..
Same for braking..

Absolutely no doubt about it - as clearly stated in the O.P...

But - you likely could get away with riding a WSBK, or even Moto G.P. bike - on the public highway,
possibly without getting busted.. - very unlikely prospect in an F1 car though, they're simply too alien..

[Manoah2u]

Nothing anyone says is going to settle this...

...but I thought this was interesting:

2014 circuit of the americas f1 pole time: 1:36.067
2015 circuit of the americas MotoGP pole time: 2:02.135

good point but it's not about bikes vs f1 , there's a thread for that lol. Bike loses to F1 car simple and done.

any way

Buell XB9SX > most fun bike i've driven
Suzuki GX-R ('01) > fastest one
Kawasaki Ninja ('05) > most versatile driving experience
Ducati 748 > scariest one yet
Harley V-Rod > cool but not my thing [ missed emotion ]
Harley custom bobber > fun, but just not my piece of cake

Pontiac Firebird > most fun car i've had, nothing tops it imho [ classic muscle car ]
Lambo Murcielago > Fastest car i've driven, amazing but, i expect nothing less from such a pricetag [not mine dah]
Ferrari 348 spider > Too vulgar, too unpractical, too flamboyant, adds what? nothing.
Tesla Roadster > not blazingly fast but it was fun, just not emotional
Mazda MX5 > for the price tag probably the best bang for buck, but it's sloooow
Honda S2000 > not that fast and not that fun and just sterile
Porsche 911 T> cool, beautifull, fast, but too much of a 'business' sportscar, it's like the color grey.
BMW Z1 > probably the coolest car i'd pick if it weren not for the pontiac, but, again, really not that fast.

I won't include boring daily drivers.

Either way, it's simple. There are cars that give you fun, and there are motorbikes that give you fun.
In the end, that's what it's about.

The argument however, as posted before, is simple, the bike will win becuase of the tagprice for one.
Yes, you need a driver license for a motorbike, ok , but lets be fair, a car needs that, too.

Either way, most of us mortals are not able to buy/own a supercar. so that's where it generally ends.
affordable sports cars usually are second-hand and perhaps not the priciest in buying, but definately
costly in maintainence and taxes, fuel, etc etc.

You can buy a brand new superbike for the price of a second-hand decent and generally fast sportscar with
quite some miles on it. Meanwhile, your brand new superbike goes vastly much faster, is simply more fun,
is easier to park, is vastly much cheaper to maintain and loses much less value in their lifespan.

I'll sum it up finally in the general experience on meetings.

You go to a type-meeting for your sportscar, and you get a bunch of hobbyists and enthusiasts and visitors, but in general, there's lot of envy/jelousy and people trying to talk your car down and their car up, and you only 'count' if your befriended somehow by people that only to these people really mean something because of what?

you go to a type-meeting for your superbike, and you get a bunch of people enjoying the day and enjoying seeing other people's bikes curious on what they've done to it and what they;ve learned, and if there's comment, it's usually only safety tips on some parts look like theyd better be replaced sooner or later. everybody counts.

well, that's my experience atleast.

[mrluke]

Nothing anyone says is going to settle this...

...but I thought this was interesting:

2014 circuit of the americas f1 pole time: 1:36.067
2015 circuit of the americas MotoGP pole time: 2:02.135

Thats not a fair comparison because umm the bikes are about the same size as a gwiz so really you should be comparing to their lap times rather than an F1 car.

[J.A.W.]

Thats not a fair comparison because umm the bikes are about the same size as a gwiz so really you should be comparing to their lap times rather than an F1 car.

But, surely, G-Wiz are in the Formula E category.. so that's not "fair" either.. L.O.L...

[J.A.W.]

& for a bit of light comedy relief.. some typical Top Gear - car vs bike - contrived TV bollocks..

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/941922355001

[J.A.W.]

Emaren correctly noted the 'uneven playing field' for bikes running the N-Ring..

If a WSBK Superbike can lap Laguna Seca ~10 secs quicker a Supercar on test, by how much around N-Ring?

Interestingly, at the fabled US Pikes Peak hill climb event, bikes are also markedly handicapped by regs..
Yet even so, the near standard, high handlebar types allowed - do give a good account of themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTiTPAusog4

No doubt someone will pipe up & claim that Emma Peel or Elise (or whatever).. girly-type wee Lotus combination..
..would do that trip up the hill much quicker yet.. (maybe Danica in a turbo?) L.O.L...

[emaren]

@ Emaren, - I appreciate your cogent, well considered input..

Interestingly, I too have been getting around locally on a bicycle, simply as a convenience,
(& a bit of exercise) but when sharing the road, it does present as a much more potentially
vulnerable machine to operate- even compared to a motorcycle..

Thanks.

Just be careful out there...

http://www.emaren.com/2014/08/crash/

I'm riding again now, but.....

[J.A.W.]

All the best with your recovery Emaren..

My worst injury in decades of riding was a few years back, a crash avoiding a pedestrian who ran out in my path..

Multiple fractures/dislocations/severed tendon of left hand/wrist/forearm - from my fingers to the elbow,
& multiple surgeries, plates/screws in, then out, join broke again, then metal back in, & bone graft in,
then metal out again.. got a bit tiresome..

Got better though, & oddly, its seems a psychological association, that I get a bit pensive on the pedal bike,
- but I'm fine on the motorised machinery, even at possibly much greater risk of potential drama..

[Moose]

For me this argument is simple. I can have pretty much exactly the same amount of fun with either. But I'm far less likely to become a road crayon in a car.

Why is that?
Because you have fearful(realistic) apprehension of mediocre riding skills?

For sure I am - I'm well aware that I am statistically not likely to be a significantly above average rider, and that an average rider is statistically very likely to kill, or seriously injure themselves being dumb on a motorbike.

You do realize that you are more likely to become a 'road flare/candle'..
.. in a burning car wreck though, eh, M?

No, I don't realise that, because it's not true. People on Motorbikes are about 30 times more likely to die in a crash than people in cars.

[J.A.W.]

For me this argument is simple. I can have pretty much exactly the same amount of fun with either. But I'm far less likely to become a road crayon in a car.

Why is that?
Because you have fearful(realistic) apprehension of mediocre riding skills?

For sure I am - I'm well aware that I am statistically not likely to be a significantly above average rider, and that an average rider is statistically very likely to kill, or seriously injure themselves being dumb on a motorbike.

You do realize that you are more likely to become a 'road flare/candle'..
.. in a burning car wreck though, eh, M?

No, I don't realise that, because it's not true. People on Motorbikes are about 30 times more likely to die in a crash than people in cars.

Not by burning alive though, while trapped in a 'cage' (car wreck) - as was directly pointed out.. eh..

& as we well know, a significant proportion of those injured/killed while riding - are victims of bad drivers, in cars..

[Moose]

Not by burning alive though, while trapped in a 'cage' (car wreck) - as was directly pointed out.. eh..

& as we well know, a significant proportion of those injured/killed while riding - are victims of bad drivers, in cars..

This doesn't change a very simple fact - I'm much more likely to die on a motorbike, and can have just as much fun in a car. That as I said earlier, makes the decision absolutely trivial.

For reference, you have a roughly 1 in 1 million chance of dieing in a car fire in any particular year. Meanwhile, you have a roughly 80 in a million chance of dieing by becoming a road crayon on a motorbike.

[J.A.W.]

Well M, - I certainly get a significantly higher 'fun' factor ( & def' not 'trivial') - from biking than driving,
thus - surely indicating a direct co-relation between skill/reward, since riding fast - requires/provides more..

& notwithstanding black humour-type/grisly-hype references to 'road crayon/human candles' in road mishaps terms..
..your crude misrepresentation of statistical/actuarial probabilities is more'n a tad lacking, validity-wise too, eh..

(& isn't it frankly - a most likely - far worse death - by cremation alive - in a car wreck?
- It is to me, I carry a sharp knife in my car with me - just in case/needs be..).