George-Jung wrote:I don't understand all the comments about Verstappen, the guy was one of the only drivers who made some impressive overtakes at Monaco this year.
What overtakes? He drove past Maldonado who didn't have brakes, so did Button, that wasn't an overtake. Who did he overtake? Sainz with team orders?
TheRMVR wrote:Great drive by Sainz and Verstappen once again. Finally someone went for it, I like Verstappens driving style, unfortunately he called the situation totally wrong. In his defence though, I have never seen anyone break as early as Grosjean did at St.Devote...*Also ridiculous to hear Grosjean calling someone a 'f*cking idiot' for crashing, coming from the master himself..
You should watch more races then, starting with all the previous laps of two Lotuses and Toro Rossos. Name in numbers those braking points and speed please, your wrong impression is not enough. Never mind the consequences of going at such speed in this direction, what was he trying to achieve? You probably haven't seen anyone braking as early as Maldonado when junior drove into his back and damaged his wing earlier, a pattern. I can safely say I haven't seen such a bad overtaking attempt at this corner or any corner for a long time, Grosjean's speed that is not questionable BTW (ask stewards with all their telemetry) and had nothing to do with what Verstappen did. This braked too early as an excuse exists only in alternative universes of Red Bull's marketing and places like this. Watch Alonso - Vettel Silverstone '14 Alonso braked "too early" 50 times.
What's ridiculous about calling an idiot an idiot that can't control the speed, braking points, distance and his own car that drove into your back and ruined your race? Do you find comments from Nasr or Massa ridiculous calling Verstappen dangerous for others?
"I would say what for me was pretty dangerous was the accident with Verstappen," Massa said. "He's supposed to get a penalty for what he did. So he just braked behind, much later and what happened was very dangerous. With Verstappen blaming Grosjean for brake testing him, Massa says he was too far behind to even attempt a move. "To be honest he was not even in a position to overtake. He was not even near to go alongside, he was behind. So to be honest it was too much what happened."
"So it shows that maybe experience counts in Formula One, and I think to teach about this type of accident they need to control better because it was very dangerous. So he was lucky that he was not hurt, because he could have been very hurt by what happened."
“The accident is proof of his inexperience,” the 22-year-old Sauber driver, who arrived in F1 this year after three seasons in GP2, told Brazil’s Globo.“I had an excellent education,” said Nasr, “and the time spent in each category was essential to be able to debut well in F1.”“I learned a lot at Williams (as test driver) last year and entered F1 at the right age. I could not imagine myself in Formula 1 even at 20, considering all that I learned in these last few seasons,” he insisted.
So this "great" race included:
- putting the car into barriers in practice
- getting out-qualified by two slower cars and his team-mate
- in Q benefiting from Sainz's penalty, Alonso's engine failure and possibly Button's yellow flags and Grosjean's grid penalty
- in the race benefiting from Maldonado's brake failure
- damaging his FW driving into Maldonado earlier
- crashing spectacularly
If reality doesn't agree with you too bad for reality. Now for the next chapter of an ongoing exercise: what would be now happening if it was Maldonado. Judging by reactions after Bahrain '14 life time ban calls and menace to society routines by pseudo journalists and confused audience. I wonder what was Guttierez's braking point lap earlier then and did you praise him for "going at it"? I despise double standards like that.
. The other driver shouldn't be a topic of this discussion anyway but for RB's shifting attention tricks. It was junior that braked too late - considerably too late attempting nothing but a high speed collision in Monaco 1st corner of all places. I find calling Grosjean "master crasher" and praising someone later for "going at it" after this no attempt at anything dishonest. Grosjean pulled off many risky but very clean moves in his career, something Verstappen needs to learn.