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Laurent
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Joined: 25 Dec 2004, 22:31
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karting + technics

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hi!

I bought my first kart and I want to find out how to tune this :wink:
I didn't go for 2 stroke, because people told me 4 stroke would be better in endurace champs (what I'm aiming for!), and its also better for beginners.... 8)

my first question: how do I need to know how much pressure I need in my tyres (under/over inflated)?

2nd: does anybody have some good lecture about kart tuning? this would be very helpfull.

What I'll do for sure, is holding some word doc with all changes I made + what it changed to the karts behaviour :wink:

Thanks in advance!!

West
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Joined: 07 Jan 2004, 00:42
Location: San Diego, CA

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Tire pressure adjustment will mainly be based on the type of track, the temperature of the track, driving style, and other suspension settings (which I assume is probably only the roll bar adjustment).

For example, whenever I went to Moran (Scott Speed used to drive there), my friend and I thought the rear end came out way too much on the slow corners. I didn't make the adjustments, but the next time we went out, the car was a lot easier to power out of a slow corner. I believe he softened the roll stiffness - this was done by make the rear roll bar flatter, relative to the road surface.
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dedge
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Joined: 28 Jan 2007, 20:42
Location: France, Toulousô

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Hello!

It is fun : I am searching for a go kart too!

But here in France there is no place for 4-stroke engines (even in endurance racing). The only change for this type of racing is the final transmission that use a belt instead of a chain (there is no use to lubrificate it). So what is the engine you use? A Yamaha?

For the pressure you have to set, it depend of many facts as West said. But you can adjust it easily : mesure the pressure of the cold tire, and just after your run check the difference of pressure. It must be between 100 and 200g. If you can have a pyrometer : the tire temperature must be 70°C approximatively.
But you have to keep this in mind : the tire will not perform the same way during a single run. So you have to choose if you prefer to have grip at the begining or at the end of racing.
Moreover, a high pressure will make the kart sensible and unstable, where a low pressure will harden the direction and give too much grip at the rear. A high pressure can wear off the tires very fast too.

For the technical books, I have a two guides, but they are in french...

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Ciro Pabón
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Some theory on kart tuning and driving (check "Kart Steering, Physical Forces and Setup - Theory and Practice", "Driving in the wet" and "Overtaking"): http://www.karting.co.uk/KandK/Tech/index.html

As for tyre pressure, start with the middle range of the manufacturer's recommendation. That's normally not good enough, because what I'm watching right now is a recommendation that for 11 x 6.00-5 you should use 11 to 23 psi, which is a wide margin! BTW, kart tyres have a different nomenclature from your car: 11 is the tyre diameter, 6.00 is the width of the tyre and 5 is the size of the rim, all in inches. Anyway, start at around 16 psi.

You shouldn't start to "fool around" with settings until you are able to get 0.2 seconds differences, maximum, between laps for, I don't know, at least 8 laps.

If you get good lap times on the first three laps and then your times get worse, you started with a good pressure but then the tyres heated and got overpressurized. Diminish pressure in this case. What you shoud get is that you start getting better times in the first three laps as the tyres heat.

Lower the pressure when the day is hot, the race is long or there is rubber on the track. When you lower the pressure you decrease the load on the tyre and generate less heat on the tyre. That has a limit: under 10 psi or so, lateral walls flex a lot and then you have heating of the tyres again.

Inflate a little when the track is wet. Inflate about 3 psi when using hard SL tyres.

When the track is drying, it is important use low pressures in wet tyres to avoid overheating them. If you can, use an old wet set because they are hardened and will give you a little more grip on a track that is drying. Of course, the best is to change to slicks as soon as possible, but you know how the things are when you start to trust your instinct about if rain is coming or going, specially on long races... ;)

If you increase rear pressure by, I don't know, 1 to 3 psi, you will get a looser rear end (more oversteering). The same applies to understeer: lower the rear pressure by the same amount. It's easy for a beginner to confuse oversteering with understeering (you think that the kart is oversteering, but in fact you are getting a loose front end and it "transmits" the instability to the rear).

If you cannot fix some problem (specially when the rear end does not "slide" properly) you can try wider rims to distribute the load better. On circuits and frames that cause understeering, large front tires can be used OR smaller rim size.

Finally, tyre diameter varies with speed and pressure. This must be taken in account: change the gear ratios when you think this is happening (if you change "too much" the pressure, for example, or for a fast track). I'd say to change the gear number for each half an inch of variation in the circumference of the tyre.

That sums up most of what I know. If you need a hand, let me know. I have a page on kart tracks that I haven't published yet. If you wish it in its current state (not checked entirely) I'll be glad to provide it to you. If you have kart track locations, thanks. A final tip: listen to others and check for yourself everything they say. Karts teach you to follow your mind and only yours. You can become a team player when you move to faster categories... ;)
Ciro

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Scuderia_Russ
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Joined: 17 Jan 2004, 22:24
Location: Motorsport Valley, England.

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I reckon two strokes will be banned / phased out or what ever you want to call it in the next few years.
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Tom
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Joined: 13 Jan 2006, 00:24
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I found a nice local kart track but I'm not allowed to adjust the karts. The best thing to do (old racing friends tell me) is find yourself a good experienced mechanic for your kart and concentrate on the driving yourself. If you can find someone who knows about karts then you can describe to them how it handles and they can set it up in a way that suits you, show you how to set it up and explain to you how to find out what effects the changes have had.

I'm sure you've realised already that driving a kart is very different to any road vehicle, mainly because its very light, very precise, RE RWD, and just a few cm off the ground. You will gain far more from learning to drive to the best of the karts abilities than from setting the kart up to drive a style that suits you but might not be fastest.

Try and find 'High Performance Driving', by Bob Boundrant, whis covers all aspects of driving fast and safetly in just about any vehicle, while Senna wrote a similar book which is far more F1 based, although it does include setting a car up, overtaking, crashing, diet, exercise and even the physcology of racing.
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GTO
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Joined: 09 Jun 2005, 01:16
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Hello Laurent,
congratulations on your kart purchase. I'm interested in getting a kart for me & my son also.

Check with the kart clubs in your area if they have a website with links to forums where you can discuss with karters with your same brand or similar kart. You can try the following links:
http://www.ekartingnews.com/forum.php

You can try the Arrow Kart Setup guide (very detailed & helpful). It's written for Arrow owners but the info should be similar for all karts.
http://www.msquaredkarting.com/download ... manual.pdf

http://www.gtkarts.com/base-settings-4c.html

If you know the manufacturer of your kart, you can check with them or on their website if they have a similar setup guide.

Have fun.

Giblet
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Technics are turntables, techniques are what you learn.

Congrats on the cart.

dedge
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Joined: 28 Jan 2007, 20:42
Location: France, Toulousô

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Scuderia_Russ wrote:I reckon two strokes will be banned / phased out or what ever you want to call it in the next few years.
2 strokes engines have been updated this year : there are new categories KF1, KF2, KF3, KZ1 with clutch, REV limiters...
The CIK was under pressure of the manufacturers not to ban 2 strokes engines because they will find new opponents such as Yamaha, Honda...
So, for the 4 next years, you will find 2 strokes engines on elite races.
Thus, you will find 2 strokes engines on amateur races for about 10 years sure.

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Scuderia_Russ
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Joined: 17 Jan 2004, 22:24
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dedge wrote:
Scuderia_Russ wrote:I reckon two strokes will be banned / phased out or what ever you want to call it in the next few years.
2 strokes engines have been updated this year : there are new categories KF1, KF2, KF3, KZ1 with clutch, REV limiters...
The CIK was under pressure of the manufacturers not to ban 2 strokes engines because they will find new opponents such as Yamaha, Honda...
So, for the 4 next years, you will find 2 strokes engines on elite races.
Thus, you will find 2 strokes engines on amateur races for about 10 years sure.
Interesting! I always imagined that emmissions wise they would have been looked upon unfavourably. As far as techniques go, I always slightly overlap my throttle and braking. Worked for me.
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dedge
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Joined: 28 Jan 2007, 20:42
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I would have prefer to have a 4stroke engine too!
More torque, reliability, easy to optimise (but with higher cost), smaller exhaust pipes...
But buziness is buziness : the power of $$$ has won...