Is the V6 formula a disaster for F1?

[Andres125sx]

If you lift the (fuel flow) ban you will get more fuel saving and teams will not 'assume' more risk by overtaking.

Disagree, how many times we´ve seen a car half a second faster than the one in front, but unable to overtake? This would open a door to increase fuel flow (over the standard flow to finish the race) and increase power to overtake. Once done he could reduce fuel flow below standard flow to compensate the extra wasted on the overtaking, because he is faster, so even with a reduced fuel flow (or coasting) the other car will not be a threat

the slower car would just turn up the power to combat the overtake, so it would just be coasting and blocking where you can't overtake and full power where you could.

Coasting and blocking are contradictory terms, it´s not posible to do both at the same time. Coasting means you lift the throttle some meters before hitting the brakes, so if there´s a car behind you trying to pass, he will pass

That´s the reason Alonso refused to save fuel on Canada, he was fighting, trying to stop some faster cars he had behind him, so he refused to save fuel to keep them behind as much as posible

So if a slower car increase the fuel flow on the straight to stop the car behind, he´ll pay it later on the lap or later in the race, but he´ll pay it so the extra fuel burnt was not worth. It will be worth only for a car wich is faster and after overtaking he can reduce fuel flow and still be faster, he´d use the extra fuel to get rid of the traffic and then continue with his faster pace

They need the fuel flow limit to make them running high rpms to keep the audience from rioting

Sorry but that´s another contradictory statement, it´s the fuel flow limit what prevent current engines from reaching the 15.000rpm limit. Nobody is reaching the rpm limit written in the rules because the fuel flow limit make it absurd, it´s not worth

Current engines need a higher fuel flow to make it worth increasing revs to the current 15k limit, so it´s exactly the oposite you´re stating, increasing fuel flow they´d increase rpms

[Pierce89]

Andre: What he is saying about the fuel flow limit is that the max flow shouldn't be available till a higher rpm, thereby forcing the engines to run faster. If max flow wasn't available till 14,500 rpm, every PU would use the full 15k revs allowed by the regs and they would sound miles better.

[Andres125sx]

Andre: What he is saying about the fuel flow limit is that the max flow shouldn't be available till a higher rpm, thereby forcing the engines to run faster. If max flow wasn't available till 14,500 rpm, every PU would use the full 15k revs allowed by the regs and they would sound miles better.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

But is that necessary? I mean, with a higher fuel flow allowed then it would be worth reaching the 15k rpm limit by itself, or not?

[Moose]

Andre: What he is saying about the fuel flow limit is that the max flow shouldn't be available till a higher rpm, thereby forcing the engines to run faster. If max flow wasn't available till 14,500 rpm, every PU would use the full 15k revs allowed by the regs and they would sound miles better.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

But is that necessary? I mean, with a higher fuel flow allowed then it would be worth reaching the 15k rpm limit by itself, or not?

Yes, because you only get more power with more fuel. The reason the teams don't rev to 15k rpm is because there's no more fuel available, and hence no more power available by doing that.

The idea IIRC of setting the fuel flow limit around the 11k rpm mark was that it would stop teams bouncing off the rev limiter when trying to overtake, and hence break DRS trains.

[langwadt]

Andre: What he is saying about the fuel flow limit is that the max flow shouldn't be available till a higher rpm, thereby forcing the engines to run faster. If max flow wasn't available till 14,500 rpm, every PU would use the full 15k revs allowed by the regs and they would sound miles better.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

But is that necessary? I mean, with a higher fuel flow allowed then it would be worth reaching the 15k rpm limit by itself, or not?

Yes, because you only get more power with more fuel. The reason the teams don't rev to 15k rpm is because there's no more fuel available, and hence no more power available by doing that.

The idea IIRC of setting the fuel flow limit around the 11k rpm mark was that it would stop teams bouncing off the rev limiter when trying to overtake, and hence break DRS trains.

and the linear rising fuel flow curve forcing them to run around 10krmp+ most of the time

[Emmcee]

Heck alonso couldn't even run at a limited pace in Canada without the risk of running out of fuel, imagine if he was using maximum revs, he wouldn't even made 10 laps. Reminded me of virgin a few years back who didnt even have big enough tanks to last a race distance.

[Vettel Maggot]

Having just watch the Le Mans 24hr you have to admire the variety of engines and technology in that series. I think F1 needs to realise that WEC is now the clear pinnacle of technology and racing. The sooner they do that the sooner we can get out of this mess. Current F1 is horrible because they have painted themselves into a corner with ridiculous regulations.

[Vettel Maggot]

Someone wanted more 'manliness' in F1. Well lets just have a look at our current world champ..



Compared to a few years ago

[Pierce89]

[quote="Vettel Maggot"]Someone wanted more 'manliness' in F1. Well lets just have a look at our current world champ..

http://s14.postimg.org/6q29qt4c1/114261 ... 2812_n.jpg

Sheesh! What is wrong with that kid? It looks like he's taking Bieber lessons.

[Pierce89]

Andre: What he is saying about the fuel flow limit is that the max flow shouldn't be available till a higher rpm, thereby forcing the engines to run faster. If max flow wasn't available till 14,500 rpm, every PU would use the full 15k revs allowed by the regs and they would sound miles better.

Ok, thanks for the clarification

But is that necessary? I mean, with a higher fuel flow allowed then it would be worth reaching the 15k rpm limit by itself, or not?

Yes it's necessary. Without raising the rpm where max flow is allowed and only increasing flow in the current format would mean they run the same rpm but higher boost.

[Emmcee]

Someone wanted more 'manliness' in F1. Well lets just have a look at our current world champ..

http://s14.postimg.org/6q29qt4c1/114261 ... 2812_n.jpg

Compared to a few years ago

http://s23.postimg.org/hcezciv2j/hjunt.jpg

He looks like a bloody duck with that hairstyle.

[Samraj_official]

BTW why is the delorean having a MERCEDES logo?

[J.A.W.]

BTW why is the delorean having a MERCEDES logo?

M-B logo.. is quite properly - on an M-B, natch.. 'Back to the Future' fantasies notwithstanding..

& you guys can bloody well lay off the Champ, your whingeing might well turn him white..
- like Michael Jackson, or maybe worse, Muslim, like Cassius Clay/M-Ali..

[Samraj_official]

BTW why is the delorean having a MERCEDES logo?

M-B logo.. is quite properly - on an M-B, natch.. 'Back to the Future' fantasies notwithstanding..

& you guys can bloody well lay off the Champ, your whingeing might well turn him white..
- like Michael Jackson, or maybe worse, Muslim, like Cassius Clay/M-Ali..

i never understood a word you said above!!! what is that?

[emaren]

BTW why is the delorean having a MERCEDES logo?

It is an incredibly rare Mercedes C111.

Several were built as rolling test-beds for engine technology back in the late 1960's / early 1970's.