Jolle wrote:Is Kimi overrated? no...
Ferrari made a judgment based on his driving capabilities.
What happened to him last year? Didnt he finish over a 100 points behind alonso which is what equivalent to more than 4gp wins? And Ferrari didnt even win a race last year so that alone proves the consistancy he once had. Even this year he is behind seb who has had to fit into the day to day running of Ferrari compared to kimi who knows what to expect and would most likely have had input in this years car to prevent another humiliation like last season. Yeah iam an f1 geek but an f1 geek who tells it how it's seen and doesn't over hype when there isn't anything there. Iam not denying how good kimi WAS, but he isn't the same now and weather people like it or not IMO that's how it is.Jolle wrote:Is Kimi overrated? no...
Maybe even underrated.
Ferrari (and Lotus and McLaren before that) have tons of data and have more insight in his driving capabilities then a few F1-geeks watching it on the television every other week. Since Kimi isn't the kind of guy you hire for PR reasons, Ferrari made a judgment based on his driving capabilities.
Doesn't matter if Ferrari wanted to cover for Kimi or it was the real reason. They said so and I believe them. And pressure from whom? It is up to Ferrari to renew his contract or fire him. If so, why would they give Kimi a cushion?Emmcee wrote: But this is the issue, people in the past have classed him as a top echelon driver, yet the drivers which are held in the same category have beat him and are beating him. I don't Beleive there is any issue with the car that affects kimis ability to drive it. There was mountain of excuses to try defend his awful season last year but at the start of the season they have consistantly said the car is better suited to kimi, yet basically the same thing is happening with seb as it was with alonso and to put the icing on the cake, kimi would have had heaps of input into this seasons chassis to make sure another season like last doesnt happen again, yet seb has come in and is basically dominating kimi. Canada proved how quick the Ferrari can be with seb starting what second last and only finishing 5 seconds behind kimi. If kimi could get on top of his qualifying issues he might get better results but the fact is, half the race result comes on Saturday. The other thing iam iffy about is kimis spin, how the heck does the same thing happen two years in a row on the same corner and it being the same issue? That's IMO is abit fishy, I think it was driver error and Ferrari are covering it up to give kimi abit of a break and relieve him of pressure he has been getting on who will replace him. The fact that any throttle issue would be linked to the engine mapping and would be able to be detected imediatly. That's my opinion anyway.
And still, they have all the data (GPS, reaction times, etc etc), they can compare that with 4 other top drivers, more then enough money to buy him out of his contract. And they still kept him for 2015. Or they are very very stupid at Ferrari (with the change of management even twice) or the data shows that he has still got a big upper hand on the other drivers.Emmcee wrote:What happened to him last year? Didnt he finish over a 100 points behind alonso which is what equivalent to more than 4gp wins? And Ferrari didnt even win a race last year so that alone proves the consistancy he once had. Even this year he is behind seb who has had to fit into the day to day running of Ferrari compared to kimi who knows what to expect and would most likely have had input in this years car to prevent another humiliation like last season. Yeah iam an f1 geek but an f1 geek who tells it how it's seen and doesn't over hype when there isn't anything there. Iam not denying how good kimi WAS, but he isn't the same now and weather people like it or not IMO that's how it is.Jolle wrote:Is Kimi overrated? no...
Maybe even underrated.
Ferrari (and Lotus and McLaren before that) have tons of data and have more insight in his driving capabilities then a few F1-geeks watching it on the television every other week. Since Kimi isn't the kind of guy you hire for PR reasons, Ferrari made a judgment based on his driving capabilities.
@williams f1 - couldn't agree more mate.
Who else could they get to replace him this season? No body but talks are already put that Bottas is getting his seat next season. I've heard every kimi excuse under the sun, "the car doesn't suit him that's why he can't match alonso" or "this season the car is much more suited to his style" what has happened? He was struggling to match Massa before he got sacked at the end of 2009 and Massa got smashed by alonso, that's why kimi got smashed by alonso aswell, simply because he isn't on that level anymore. He used to be, infact he was the most exciting driver to watch and iam not really a kimi fan but I will admit he was certainly entertaining before he lost that edge.Jolle wrote:Emmcee wrote:What happened to him last year? Didnt he finish over a 100 points behind alonso which is what equivalent to more than 4gp wins? And Ferrari didnt even win a race last year so that alone proves the consistancy he once had. Even this year he is behind seb who has had to fit into the day to day running of Ferrari compared to kimi who knows what to expect and would most likely have had input in this years car to prevent another humiliation like last season. Yeah iam an f1 geek but an f1 geek who tells it how it's seen and doesn't over hype when there isn't anything there. Iam not denying how good kimi WAS, but he isn't the same now and weather people like it or not IMO that's how it is.Jolle wrote:Is Kimi overrated? no...
Maybe even underrated.
Ferrari (and Lotus and McLaren before that) have tons of data and have more insight in his driving capabilities then a few F1-geeks watching it on the television every other week. Since Kimi isn't the kind of guy you hire for PR reasons, Ferrari made a judgment based on his driving capabilities.
@williams f1 - couldn't agree more mate.
And still, they have all the data (GPS, reaction times, etc etc), they can compare that with 4 other top drivers, more then enough money to buy him out of his contract. And they still kept him for 2015. Or they are very very stupid at Ferrari (with the change of management even twice) or the data shows that he has still got a big upper hand on the other drivers.
It's not like the manager bends over the pit wall, looking at the car's go past: "oh, thats a quick one, lets get him".
Anyone remember "All Hail" Mr. Arrivebenne telling the world, how he ORDERED the designers to change the weight balance of the car and how HE ENSURED the car SUITS KIMI? Either "All Hail" Mr. Arrivebenne is just an id**t, or even if the car was changed to suite Kimi, he is just a pathetic driver who couldn't make use of it. I vote for both though.Emmcee wrote: but at the start of the season they have consistantly said the car is better suited to kimi,
Because the best talent is SEIZED. Neither Lewis, nor Rosberg are available. Ricciardo cannot get out of Red Bull, such is their binding contract. Bottas, well Mr. Toto has to decide that as he (and Mika) is managing him. Although Grosjean and Hulk are much better drivers than Kimi, Ferrari need some marketable drivers. Ferrari aren't bold enough to trust a raw new talent and blooding them in their car.evered7 wrote: If so, why would they give Kimi a cushion?
I thought Lewis had cleared that doubt long back, when he said, Vettel and Fernando have #1 clause in their contract. Kimi is already playing support act. In Bahrain, Kimi was like "I AM GOING TO OVERTAKE HIM", meaning "Can I do that, clear me before I commit the CRIME, I obey you".evered7 wrote: If Ferrari have him on the #1 driver package, then a downgrade is required. Seb needs to be #1 and Kimi his support act.
He got the WDC in 2007 beating a certain Alonso. Helped Massa to the brink of WDC in 2008. Routed Grosjean in 2012/13 and that's why Ferrari signed him for 2014.Emmcee wrote:
Who else could they get to replace him this season? No body but talks are already put that Bottas is getting his seat next season. I've heard every kimi excuse under the sun, "the car doesn't suit him that's why he can't match alonso" or "this season the car is much more suited to his style" what has happened? He was struggling to match Massa before he got sacked at the end of 2009 and Massa got smashed by alonso, that's why kimi got smashed by alonso aswell, simply because he isn't on that level anymore. He used to be, infact he was the most exciting driver to watch and iam not really a kimi fan but I will admit he was certainly entertaining before he lost that edge.
The world is such an idiotic place, isn't it. All of them say, Kimi won because two highly rated drivers were taking points of each other. Rubbish. Kimi WON ALL ON HIS OWN, by demolishing the so called greats, alonso and lewis. THAT IS THE TRUTH.evered7 wrote: He got the WDC in 2007 beating a certain Alonso.
Exactly what Mr. Vettel did to Ricciardo in 2014. That is how you earn the place in Ferrari.evered7 wrote: If and when he does a demolition job of Massa, he can be considered for the other seat.
Grosjean, Rosberg and Hulk are the best talents you mentioned?GPR-A wrote: Because the best talent is SEIZED. Neither Lewis, nor Rosberg are available. Ricciardo cannot get out of Red Bull, such is their binding contract. Bottas, well Mr. Toto has to decide that as he (and Mika) is managing him. Although Grosjean and Hulk are much better drivers than Kimi, Ferrari need some marketable drivers. Ferrari aren't bold enough to trust a raw new talent and blooding them in their car.
Ricciardo's is to RB what Vettel is to Ferrari. No way he is going to come to Ferrari now. Grosjean (whipped by Kimi in 2012/13) and Hulk (0 podium/win and 1FL/PP in his career in F1) better than Kimi? 
I doubt Lewis knows anything about Fernando's or Vettel's contract when he had to negotiate his for months. Also 'I am going to overtake him' sounded like a information than a permission to me. You interpret it one way, me the other. Can't have any winners here.GPR-A wrote: I thought Lewis had cleared that doubt long back, when he said, Vettel and Fernando have #1 clause in their contract. Kimi is already playing support act. In Bahrain, Kimi was like "I AM GOING TO OVERTAKE HIM", meaning "Can I do that, clear me before I commit the CRIME, I obey you".
By that logic, all Lewis did was beat a poor Massa and win on a car in a different league to others by beating again 'a poor Rosberg'.GPR-A wrote: The world is such an idiotic place, isn't it. All of them say, Kimi won because two highly rated drivers were taking points of each other. Rubbish. Kimi WON ALL ON HIS OWN, by demolishing the so called greats, alonso and lewis. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
I think being a 4 time WDC had something to do with it as well, at least a littleGPR-A wrote: Exactly what Mr. Vettel did to Ricciardo in 2014. That is how you earn the place in Ferrari.
I disagree, if Mclaren had not poorly managed the situation between Hamilton and alonso, there is no way kimi would have won. It was Mclaren's title to loose and they did so by giving to much freedom to Hamilton and alonso and kimi came in to pick up the pieces. In all honesty, Mclaren should have won that title easily, they didnt and good on kimi for doing the job but it isn't a title you can say was earned for a hard fought season because Mclaren were just to fast.The world is such an idiotic place, isn't it. All of them say, Kimi won because two highly rated drivers were taking points of each other. Rubbish. Kimi WON ALL ON HIS OWN, by demolishing the so called greats, alonso and lewis. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
Please understand the SARCASM in my post.Emmcee wrote:I disagree, if Mclaren had not poorly managed the situation between Hamilton and alonso, there is no way kimi would have won. It was Mclaren's title to loose and they did so by giving to much freedom to Hamilton and alonso and kimi came in to pick up the pieces. In all honesty, Mclaren should have won that title easily, they didnt and good on kimi for doing the job but it isn't a title you can say was earned for a hard fought season because Mclaren were just to fast.The world is such an idiotic place, isn't it. All of them say, Kimi won because two highly rated drivers were taking points of each other. Rubbish. Kimi WON ALL ON HIS OWN, by demolishing the so called greats, alonso and lewis. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
