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bhall II wrote: The ultimate goal is to increase air flow to the bargeboard area in order to generate strong sealing vortices along the flanks of the floor.
Yup. In the end it is about the vortices created in that area to make the floor work and seal it from the wheel wake. The amount of air flowing there isn't per se an important part, the important part is getting the vortices to work.

Sure, getting more air under the nose might make this job a little easier, but that's imo the sole advantage a higher nose will bring in the current rule set.
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bhall II wrote:There's undoubtedly a benefit to a short-nose design that allows more air flow under the cockpit area. But, given rules that place heavy restrictions on the relevant bodywork, I'm not sure a short nose is vital.

The ultimate goal is to increase air flow to the bargeboard area in order to generate strong sealing vortices along the flanks of the floor.

http://i.imgur.com/kMaDLFc.jpg

Ferrari seems to address this with a nose that's pinched just underneath the camera pods, which creates a pressure gradient that forces air flow to spill over the sides and then move aft. The placement and orientation of the camera pods assists this.

http://i.imgur.com/pTcd2Ze.jpg

Basically, it doesn't matter how the air flow gets here, just as long as it does. For instance, the Mercedes/Lotus solution harkens back to the needle-noses of the R25 and MP4-21. (EDIT: To be fair, the needle-nose also increased the efficiency of the front wing.)

http://i.imgur.com/xCgDqP5.jpg

And if you look at the underside of the current nosecone, you can see how it creates downforce in its own right, almost like a diffuser. (Ignore the arrow.)

http://i.imgur.com/q5V0PVz.jpg

That functionality would likely be compromised by the "finger" needed for a short-nose design.

http://i.imgur.com/yqTMDee.jpg
Most of the posts I have read here, are talking about the different nose solutions, with respect to ideal conditions. Meaning, assuming there is none in front of the car in motion. I can't recall the article, but I read it somewhere about the benefits the short nose offers while the car is following another. The writer was the opinion that the short nose offers a lot of benefits in the situations where the car is actually in race condition and following another, compared to a long nose. If the aerodynamicists do not see an advantage, why would they spend so much energy in chasing these short noses? Has someone looked at the airflow in either nose solutions, with respect to a car being in motion, behind another? That would be interesting to read.

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F1 aerodynamacists will chase and optimize anything if given the chance. It's what they do.

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The question is value.

For what really amounts to a high nose, I can't see how a short nose would be significantly advantageous when it comes to "dirty air." The efficiency of all aerodynamic components is reduced when exposed to turbulent flow, and as a percentage of total downforce, Ferrari's long nose may lose more in turbulent conditions simply because it creates more in steady conditions by virtue of its diffuser-like venturi effect. Is that enough to make the switch, though?

My chief concern has always been pitch-sensitivity. As the car pitches back and forth, the distance between the ground and the underside of the nose changes, and that effects the volume of mass flow underneath. But, I've not read any analyses or reports this season that might tend to validate such a concern.

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I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that I don't see a compelling reason why Ferrari needs to follow the crowd and adopt a short nose. Thus far, it's not a must-have feature like the F-duct or double-diffuser. (It might make more sense on next year's, though, since it can be incorporated from the very beginning of the design.)

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Some interesting stuff on Ferrari gearbox =D> =D> =D> =D>

http://en.f1i.com/magazine/15702-ferrar ... arbox.html

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Fer.Fan wrote:Some interesting stuff on Ferrari gearbox =D> =D> =D> =D>

http://en.f1i.com/magazine/15702-ferrar ... arbox.html
That hole creates like stressed hoop and makes it very stiff. Good for saving weight in other locations perhaps.
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Today Test in Austria wet :(

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Also different fins under the brake ducts.

The photo is taken from another angle, but left they bend inwards, while right out.
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Gallery DAY 1 TEST AUSTRIA
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More here

http://www.newsf1.it/test-austria-day-1-foto3123/

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Can someone explain why the ERS/rear light on the back is green? Is it linked to the lights below the T-Cam that indicate if the car is electrically safe?

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domh245 wrote:Can someone explain why the ERS/rear light on the back is green? Is it linked to the lights below the T-Cam that indicate if the car is electrically safe?
should be the light that states a rookie as driver if I'm right!

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BlackSwan wrote:
domh245 wrote:Can someone explain why the ERS/rear light on the back is green? Is it linked to the lights below the T-Cam that indicate if the car is electrically safe?
should be the light that states a rookie as driver if I'm right!
So it is. That'll teach me not to google what I see!
(link to an old forum thread if anyone is interested):
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... f=6&t=8037

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What kind of sensor is it?

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Possible sensor for measuring exhaust vibrations?