"Burning" laps

[Saribro]

Heh, finally a suggested change in the format that could actually put the field closer together and result in closer racing/more overtaking (well, in the first stint at least), and it gets shot down immediately by those constantly whining about lack of overtaking.
Oh the irony...

[HKS]

Agreed that fuel burning stage is a waste of time and fuel. But I reckon when this rule was laid down, the FIA might have thought that it is a good move as it gives an opportunity to the backmarkers to be heavily fuelled than the front runners. But there is still some flaw in it and thats the basic reason it hasn't been a great success.

[Belatti]

What about setting fuel amount for Q3 (like it is now) and just let the first 10 to do only 1 flying lap?

(that way, you miss it and you go down, so we would probably see a McLaren or a Ferrari in a 6 or 8 place)

10 minutes for Q3 would be enough.

[mrk189]

I think F1 should simply get rid of refuelling and just keep pitstops for tyres. That way it wont be an issue in qualifying. All cars would run in the same format but without fuel load hassles. It used to happen before why not now?

on the other hand i dont know what the maximum amount of fuel is that the fuel tanks can take and how long it will last..so i stand to be corrected on this one

[modbaraban]

On the other hand i dont know what the maximum amount of fuel is that the fuel tanks can take and how long it will last..so i stand to be corrected on this one

I think it's around 60% of the race max.

[Tom]

But if you have a fule which bans refuelling (something I've been suggesting for a while) then you can also have a rule that lets fuel tanks on the cars big enough to last a race.

Also if you limit the fule tank size to just enough to get through a race then the designers will have to make more economical engines so as not to use all your fuel before the race finishes. This will be more environmentally friendly and everyone is happy!

It worked pre 90s!

[crisis641]

don't you think the teams would then design a car tub for each different size of fuel tank they would need for the different fuel needs for each track?

[Tom]

No, because each would require crash testing and its own R&D, no team would consider that worthwhile, well maybe Toyota.

[flynfrog]

here is an idea allow more team than can fit on the grid to qualify then it would actually mean something and thus be interesting

look at the indy 500 of old took a few weeks to qualify all the cars

200 show up 40 raced

[modbaraban]

here is an idea allow more team than can fit on the grid to qualify then it would actually mean something and thus be interesting

look at the indy 500 of old took a few weeks to qualify all the cars

200 show up 40 raced

Nobody would pay 200+ mil a year to 'show up'

[Belatti]

flynfrog, that already happened in F1

in late 80´s, till 1990-1992 there were 30-34 F1 cars on the entry list.
Leting some of them try to qualify in F1 was a mistake.

Watch out this page
http://www.f1rejects.com/

Read the story of teams such as Life, Andrea Moda, Coloni, Fondmetal, Lambo-Modena, Onyx, etc. Some of them are funny, some will make you cry.

[flynfrog]

flynfrog, that already happened in F1

in late 80´s, till 1990-1992 there were 30-34 F1 cars on the entry list.
Leting some of them try to qualify in F1 was a mistake.

Watch out this page
http://www.f1rejects.com/

Read the story of teams such as Life, Andrea Moda, Coloni, Fondmetal, Lambo-Modena, Onyx, etc. Some of them are funny, some will make you cry.

i see some real innovators on that page sure alot of it didnt work but at least they tried


modbaraban

With the customer cars coming in soon hopefully that number will drop

[modbaraban]

modbaraban

With the customer cars coming in soon hopefully that number will drop

Not THAT much

[flynfrog]

modbaraban

With the customer cars coming in soon hopefully that number will drop

Not THAT much

A guy can dream cant he

and not all of the teams would come to every race some teams may throw a car together for there home race ect.

what would you rather watch Ferrari and mclearen lap around burning off fuel or two bottom teams fighting to make the race

[Belatti]

definitively two bottom teams fighting to make the race
I would like to see 18 teams*, but I think it was a mistake letting "try to race" cars with the speed of a F3000

in these times, dreamers (and money burners) are few.

The last team wich tried to make it without a large manufacturer in the back was Forti... a car 9 seconds a lap slower than polesitters... that depended on Diniz money...

*NOTE: 18 "NOT CUSTOMER CHASSIS" TEAMS