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[ferkan]

Ferrari tricking with Haas? There are reports that Ferrari is using a loophole for aero development by using Haas, new entrant, and its ability to use wind tunnel 24/7 without any restriction. Basically, Ferrari "fired" 70 guys from their aero division just for Haas to hire them and let them work on their car which will apparently be more or less a copy of next Ferrari's one and the one they have been really working on. They will hire those guys again in November...

Mercedes and RBR are furious with Ferrari but even more so because FIA has rejected their proposals with teams HWA and ARDEN that would use wind tunnels to research the possibility of competing one day.

http://f1-insider.com/trickst-ferrari-mit-haas/

Got to say this sounds very cunning and exactly the kind of thing Marchionne would do.

[drunkf1fan]

If they have done that, they have effectively cheated and very badly, the FIA is unlikely to do anything about it though.

People have already talked about this possibility but this would mean going from possible to actual. Also I think most people suspected Ferrari might send a couple guys over, or send them a wing design to send back data on. To me at least firing almost the entire aero design department and sending them over to another team with unlimited aero testing for this year before rehiring them later is a significantly higher level of well, cheating.

[ferkan]

Yes, I agree and FIA already said everything is according to rules. That might just be one of the biggest loopholes found in F1 and if its not condemned as cheating its highly highly unethical. They have also spent 200m euros on new test beds in last two years and are non stop running engines in Maranello and in Austria (AVL) but there is no limit for engine development. Think Marchionne seriously wants to have title challenger in 2016...

[Fer.Fan]

Ferrari tricking with Haas? There are reports that Ferrari is using a loophole for aero development by using Haas, new entrant, and its ability to use wind tunnel 24/7 without any restriction. Basically, Ferrari "fired" 70 guys from their aero division just for Haas to hire them and let them work on their car which will apparently be more or less a copy of next Ferrari's one and the one they have been really working on. They will hire those guys again in November...

Mercedes and RBR are furious with Ferrari but even more so because FIA has rejected their proposals with teams HWA and ARDEN that would use wind tunnels to research the possibility of competing one day.

http://f1-insider.com/trickst-ferrari-mit-haas/

Got to say this sounds very cunning and exactly the kind of thing Marchionne would do.

Brilliant idea Ferrari!!! Absolutely brilliant!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

This is what Red Bull has done with Toro Rosso. How do you think Red Bull has become masters in chassis building? By using Toro Rosso as aerotest team.

[f1316]

Ferrari tricking with Haas? There are reports that Ferrari is using a loophole for aero development by using Haas, new entrant, and its ability to use wind tunnel 24/7 without any restriction. Basically, Ferrari "fired" 70 guys from their aero division just for Haas to hire them and let them work on their car which will apparently be more or less a copy of next Ferrari's one and the one they have been really working on. They will hire those guys again in November...

Mercedes and RBR are furious with Ferrari but even more so because FIA has rejected their proposals with teams HWA and ARDEN that would use wind tunnels to research the possibility of competing one day.

http://f1-insider.com/trickst-ferrari-mit-haas/

Got to say this sounds very cunning and exactly the kind of thing Marchionne would do.

Brilliant idea Ferrari!!! Absolutely brilliant!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

This is what Red Bull has done with Toro Rosso. How do you think Red Bull has become masters in chassis building? By using Toro Rosso as aerotest team.

This should all be in a different thread.

But yeah, I think Ferrari has been pretty behind for a while in exploiting loopholes so it doesn't surprise me they're trying anything they can to get ahead.

[pciarro]

If they have done that, they have effectively cheated and very badly, the FIA is unlikely to do anything about it though.

People have already talked about this possibility but this would mean going from possible to actual. Also I think most people suspected Ferrari might send a couple guys over, or send them a wing design to send back data on. To me at least firing almost the entire aero design department and sending them over to another team with unlimited aero testing for this year before rehiring them later is a significantly higher level of well, cheating.

Well, I guess they discussed this option with the FIA before relocating people to the HAAS windtunnel.
Anyway, I don't think it's very different compared to the collaboration between RedBull and ToroRosso.

That being said, I don't think this has anything to do with the progress of this year car. I think they are only working on next year car.

[FW17]

Well, I guess they discussed this option with the FIA before relocating people to the HAAS windtunnel.
Anyway, I don't think it's very different compared to the collaboration between RedBull and ToroRosso.

That being said, I don't think this has anything to do with the progress of this year car. I think they are only working on next year car.

Ferrari staff did not relocate to HASS windtunnel they are all working out of the Ferrari windtunnel

[pciarro]

Well, I guess they discussed this option with the FIA before relocating people to the HAAS windtunnel.
Anyway, I don't think it's very different compared to the collaboration between RedBull and ToroRosso.

That being said, I don't think this has anything to do with the progress of this year car. I think they are only working on next year car.

Ferrari staff did not relocate to HASS windtunnel they are all working out of the Ferrari windtunnel

You are right. But it seems they temporary working for HASS.

[markp]

If there is nothing in the rules to prevent this then it cannot be cheating. Same as flexi wings or Brawns ddd in 2009. It is a loophole so congratulations if it helps.

[pciarro]

If there is nothing in the rules to prevent this then it cannot be cheating. Same as flexi wings or Brawns ddd in 2009. It is a loophole so congratulations if it helps.

It looks like they are not breaking any rule.

[erikejw]

Ferraris new engine iteration used at Monza is said to use the same magic button "trick" as the Merc engines use in Q3 quali.

How does it work? What is the logic behind it?

[Jolle]

If there is nothing in the rules to prevent this then it cannot be cheating. Same as flexi wings or Brawns ddd in 2009. It is a loophole so congratulations if it helps.

It looks like they are not breaking any rule.

It could even been seen (if it really happens) to be a good thing for F1, if small teams could, either "sell" their development time (what they can't use because of lack of funds) to the big 4, or the big 4 have junior teams with shared development time and components. Just imagine:
RBR - STR
Mercedes - Sauber
McLaren - Manor
Ferrari - HAAS
16 healthy cars and then:
Renault, Williams and Force India.

[Silent Storm]

According to Autosprint:

-Ferrari will use the Spain aero package in Sinagpore GP.

-For US GP Ferrari will bring 5th PU, new floor and new engine cover.

-For 2016 Ferrari working on tighter rear, more compact MGU-K and Crankcase.

[Morteza]

Ferrari copy Mercedes 2 fins located on the rear impact structure.

Via @Albrodpul

EDIT: Better picture

[f300v10]

Shot from the rear of diffuser and previously mentioned crash structure winglets from behind: