Lotus F1 Team 2015

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It would be nice if Dietrich Mateschitz bought lotus and renamed it Krating Daeng with his pocket change and forces Renault to quit.

After all Renault is hoping to get some money from Red Bull to buy Lotus (in spite of supplying them with not so great engines which probably broke performance clauses)

With 3 teams Dietrich Mateschitz will have enough clout to change the engine regs

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WilliamsF1 wrote:It would be nice if Dietrich Mateschitz bought lotus and renamed it Krating Daeng with his pocket change and forces Renault to quit.

After all Renault is hoping to get some money from Red Bull to buy Lotus (in spite of supplying them with not so great engines which probably broke performance clauses)

With 3 teams Dietrich Mateschitz will have enough clout to change the engine regs
Yes really smart idea to get one man to have so much clout over F1. We could rename the series the Red Bull F1 championship.

But if he did have this cash, to go out and buy another team, why not just build your own darn engines?
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WilliamsF1 wrote:It would be nice if Dietrich Mateschitz bought lotus and renamed it Krating Daeng with his pocket change and forces Renault to quit.
After all Renault is hoping to get some money from Red Bull to buy Lotus (in spite of supplying them with not so great engines which probably broke performance clauses)
With 3 teams Dietrich Mateschitz will have enough clout to change the engine regs
I understand it's a fantasy idea that does not have to make sense but:
- Mateschitz is too busy finding B spec engines for his two current teams and Renault leaving is not helping
- what engine would he use for his third team? C-spec Ferrari? I don't think they have so many old engines lying around :wink: .
- I doubt that without extra money from Ecclestone and being a co-owner which is ruining this sport Red Bull would still be in F1, deep pockets or not it's business.

"After all Renault is hoping to get some money from Red Bull to buy Lotus (in spite of supplying them with not so great engines which probably broke performance clauses)"
- It's their money not Red Bull's and they're getting it if they can, no hope involved. Termination of contract works both ways.
- Probably or not. If true - see above about the money.

Going back to real life Lotus, Renault's take over depends on squeezing some money from CVC leeches, they want Merc kind of deal which is still way below Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull. I thought it was 60-40 they stay now it's a bit lower.

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What engines will Renault be using next year and beyond? Are they quitting being an engine manufacturer for themselves and other teams?
Finally, everyone knows that Red Bull is a joke and Max Verstappen is overrated.

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FoxHound wrote:
WilliamsF1 wrote:It would be nice if Dietrich Mateschitz bought lotus and renamed it Krating Daeng with his pocket change and forces Renault to quit.

After all Renault is hoping to get some money from Red Bull to buy Lotus (in spite of supplying them with not so great engines which probably broke performance clauses)

With 3 teams Dietrich Mateschitz will have enough clout to change the engine regs
Yes really smart idea to get one man to have so much clout over F1.
What is Bernie then?

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McG wrote:What engines will Renault be using next year and beyond? Are they quitting being an engine manufacturer for themselves and other teams?
Saw somewhere that next year could be Renault supported Lotus-Mercedes, then in 2017 full on Renault team with their own engines. Gives them time to develop new engine. (Without token constraints?)

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kptaylor wrote:
McG wrote:What engines will Renault be using next year and beyond? Are they quitting being an engine manufacturer for themselves and other teams?
Saw somewhere that next year could be Renault supported Lotus-Mercedes, then in 2017 full on Renault team with their own engines. Gives them time to develop new engine. (Without token constraints?)
How does the token system constrain development? The token system only constrains the introduction of a new engine spec, not the development of it.

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Cold Fussion wrote:
kptaylor wrote:
McG wrote:What engines will Renault be using next year and beyond? Are they quitting being an engine manufacturer for themselves and other teams?
Saw somewhere that next year could be Renault supported Lotus-Mercedes, then in 2017 full on Renault team with their own engines. Gives them time to develop new engine. (Without token constraints?)
How does the token system constrain development? The token system only constrains the introduction of a new engine spec, not the development of it.
And once they've developed the engine it is a new spec...hence the token problem...
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adrianjordan wrote:
Cold Fussion wrote:
kptaylor wrote:
Saw somewhere that next year could be Renault supported Lotus-Mercedes, then in 2017 full on Renault team with their own engines. Gives them time to develop new engine. (Without token constraints?)
How does the token system constrain development? The token system only constrains the introduction of a new engine spec, not the development of it.
And once they've developed the engine it is a new spec...hence the token problem...
what if they say it is a new engine by Nissan/Infinity/Lada/Dacia/Mecachrome/Supertec or what ever else they can come
up with?

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langwadt wrote:
adrianjordan wrote:
Cold Fussion wrote:

How does the token system constrain development? The token system only constrains the introduction of a new engine spec, not the development of it.
And once they've developed the engine it is a new spec...hence the token problem...
what if they say it is a new engine by Nissan/Infinity/Lada/Dacia/Mecachrome/Supertec or what ever else they can come
up with?
That's what I meant. Take a year out (2016) and the 2017 engine is a "new" engine and not subject to a limited number of changes from the 2015 spec motor.

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Cold Fussion wrote:
What is Bernie then?
Bernie ain't no team owner.
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Lotus F1 Team confirms Pastor Maldonado for 2016

Lotus F1 Team is happy to confirm the continuation of its existing contract with Pastor Maldonado for the 2016 season. Pastor will continue as a race driver for his third year with the Enstone team after joining at the start of 2013.

Gerard Lopez, Chairman and Team Principal, Lotus F1 Team:
“It’s a positive for the future of Lotus F1 Team that we are able to confirm publically that Pastor remains with us for next season. Everyone at Enstone will testify that Pastor is a terrific person to work with and we all know the performances he is capable of on track. Pastor joined us with a multi-year deal so this confirmation is a reiteration of our belief in him. We hope to be able to make further positive announcements regarding the team in the near future.”

Pastor Maldonado, Lotus F1 Team, race driver:
“It’s great that the team can confirm my position as race driver for 2016. Obviously, there has been a lot of speculation about the future and whilst I have remained focused on my job on track it is also positive to know that my future is confirmed. This season has presented us with some challenges but the quality of the squad at Enstone is clear to see. I really feel part of the family at Enstone and I’m looking forward to building on the work done this year to deliver better results in 2016.”
via Lotus F1™ Team

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AMuS reports the deal is signed, Prost has no ownership in the team.
Der erste Schritt ist getan. Renault hat eine Absichtserklärung unterschrieben, Lotus zu übernehmen. Jetzt geht es an die Detailarbeit. Es wird vermutlich noch sechs Wochen dauern, bis das Projekt steht. Alain Prost soll wie Niki Lauda den Außenminister spielen. Ohne Firmenanteile.
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Thanks for the clarification. Looking forward to seeing a full Renault team in 17. Was never a fan of the crazy mixed up Lotus idea. Will be pretty weird seeing a Renault sponsored Lotus Mercedes next year if it works out like that.
Finally, everyone knows that Red Bull is a joke and Max Verstappen is overrated.

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As at the top, Renault have signed a Letter of Intent to buy Lotus.