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J.A.W. wrote:HRC Moto GP race-boss S.Nakamoto has gone on record..
According to him, the telemetry from M-M's bike confirms that Rossi's kick to the front brake control downed M-M..
& he is happy to provide it for any official review..
S.N. also confirms that Honda factory riders are expected to race hard-out for the best possible podium postion..
.. in each & every race..
..regardless of championship standings, & that includes within their own team.. with no team orders.. ever..
How does the telemetry prove it was Rossi's foot on the brake lever and not MM's hand. MM has had no shortage of crashes this year.
Maybe because Marquez crashing on purpose is not an option for anyone reasonable?
The show is airing tonight and they said, that they will show the footage from another camera, which shows what actually happened.
No it will not. Do you know a show that sends out evidence against their own journalists? The show will edit the tape to their advantage and that of their journalists. It will try to put down the journalists as innocent. If you find that excagerated, think that the journalists went completely from Italy to Marquez' home to deliver a '--- cup', with the sole intention of provoking. They are going to edit the tape and put down Marquez and his family as villians.
The show is airing tonight and they said, that they will show the footage from another camera, which shows what actually happened.
No it will not. Do you know a show that sends out evidence against their own journalists? The show will edit the tape to their advantage and that of their journalists. It will try to put down the journalists as innocent. If you find that excagerated, think that the journalists went completely from Italy to Marquez' home to deliver a '--- cup', with the sole intention of provoking. They are going to edit the tape and put down Marquez and his family as villians.
When you word it that way...it sounds like they are making a point of showing that if you antagonize someone enough...oh nevermind this point has been argued to death. But i do think they have an underlying message about playing innocent.
Of course they have a point to make. However, this is not how you should make your point. It is highly unethical to first provoke someone and then tell the world how agressive he is. Marquez might have done that the track, might have not done it. We don't know it for certain. However, you don't got to someone's home and deliver them a --- cup, and then follow him into his garage. We know that for certain since the Italian show does not deny it.
The show is airing tonight and they said, that they will show the footage from another camera, which shows what actually happened.
I´ve seen what actually happened, it was shown here in spain, and they entered into his garden/entrance like if it was theirs, and almost enter his house too.
Marquez had to push his grandma into home to close the door and stop the jour.... paparazis
There are lots of paparazis here in spain, but they at least respect private properties. These italians didn´t. Provoking was the minor problem.
Luckily Marquez didn´t bite and ignored them as much as he could.
J.A.W. wrote:HRC Moto GP race-boss S.Nakamoto has gone on record..
According to him, the telemetry from M-M's bike confirms that Rossi's kick to the front brake control downed M-M..
& he is happy to provide it for any official review..
S.N. also confirms that Honda factory riders are expected to race hard-out for the best possible podium postion..
.. in each & every race..
..regardless of championship standings, & that includes within their own team.. with no team orders.. ever..
How does the telemetry prove it was Rossi's foot on the brake lever and not MM's hand. MM has had no shortage of crashes this year.
Maybe because Marquez crashing on purpose is not an option for anyone reasonable?
Marquez has crashed the front end so much this year.
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Tim.Wright wrote:The telemetry can only show that the brake was actived (by looking at the brake pressure trace) - not how or why.
There nothing in the data that could differentiate between it being from Rossi's kick or from the two bikes becoming tangled mid-corner.
First time ever I disagree with you Tim, I´ve had different points of view but never fully disagreed like now, so I´ll probably be wrong
Telemetry can show pressure and how fast that pressure was applied. A kick is very different from a normal braking in that aspect, both in pressure and how that pressure was applied.
Also, there are guards to prevent bikes becoming tangled, so it would be very difficult to hit someones brake lever by accident. But a kick can easily go over the guard
Well, something has gone over the guard so obviously it doesn't work so well.
Clearly he didn't apply the brakes himself but I'm telling you there is no way you can differentiate between a kick and the two bikes just contacting each other and operating the brakes as a result.
The telemetry will show a strange rise in the brake pressure but you are dreaming if you think you can prove that its from a kick rather than anything else. You simply can't demonstrate if Rossi kicked the lever or if the lever collided with Rossi.
With both bikes parallel (as they always are) it is very very difficult for any part of the bike or rider to hit the front brake lever accidentally. There are no protuberances in any of them to go over the guard. Maybe between handlebars... but not the case with both bikes leaned into a corner.
But a kick can easily go over the guard.... and Rossi´s leg was out of the footpeg when Marquez crashed... and he admitted he was trying to push Marquez wide make him lose some time.... and now Honda says telemetry shows an impact on the brake lever....
I can´t see how some part of the bike or rider could accidentally hit the brake through the guard. The only doubt I still had was if maybe it was not a kick but some contact with Marquez handlebar made him crash, but if something hitted the brake despite the guard then to me there´s no doubt, Rossi kicked Marquez. I´m sure he never tried to make him crash, but it was unsportsmanlike anycase
Andres125sx wrote:The only doubt I still had was if maybe it was not a kick but some contact with Marquez handlebar made him crash
This is exactly what I am talking about. The only thing that can be objectively said is that the front brakes were operated. Where that comes from is a matter of opinion.
Give up Tim, he has already made his mind up. the telemetry clearly shows it was Rossi's foot. and it also shows Rossi's brain thinking about it happening. I'd also imagine the telemetry shows in Rossi's voice "small F**king B**tard" as he did it.
Like you say, No way in the world can Honda say it was Rossi's foot, it could have been his ankle
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None-the-less, if the telemetry shows a sudden jab on the brake control which occured at the same instant of Rossi's boot..
Then you'd have to be fairly radically biased to think it was Marquez doing it to himself, rather than Rossi's deliberate action.
If M-M was accusative, like Rossi, he might claim that Rossi slowed down mid-corner - to cause that Argentina incident,
- when he crashed clipping his front tyre on Rossi's rear.. & this would show on the Yamaha telemetry..
Anyhow, I understand that the FIM will " read the Riot Act" to the riders, in the lead up to Valencia..
..to try & keep things reasonable.. but, will the sports fans crowding in as spectators - do anything silly?
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