Silly season 2016

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ringo wrote:As bad as Maldonado is, i much prefer seeing him in the Renault than Magnussen. Pastor crashes but he is exciting to watch and can put on a stellar performance once in a blue moon. I can't say the same for Kevin.
If anyone should replace Maldonado it should be Jean Eric Vergne.
I think you confused the two former Toro Rosso drivers. His name is Buemi!
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Any hints about the Manor seats... Those seat have gone up in stock tremendously after those technical announcements..(Merc engine, Williams partnership, Tombazis joining).
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FrukostScones wrote:
ringo wrote:As bad as Maldonado is, i much prefer seeing him in the Renault than Magnussen. Pastor crashes but he is exciting to watch and can put on a stellar performance once in a blue moon. I can't say the same for Kevin.
If anyone should replace Maldonado it should be Jean Eric Vergne.
I think you confused the two former Toro Rosso drivers. His name is Buemi!
JEV is disappointing. He was flattered in his young driver tests by the sheer pace of the Red Bull. Maldonado should not be allowed near anything with an engine.

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I just hope next season is competitive enough that the one who wins is the one that makes the least mistakes.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:Any hints about the Manor seats... Those seat have gone up in stock tremendously after those technical announcements..(Merc engine, Williams partnership, Tombazis joining).
Only what we know already, which is Werhlein, Rossi, Stevens and Haryanto. Would be good if it is any of the first three.

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I hope the Manor drivers are Werhlein and Rossi.
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Reigning quadruple Indycar champion Scott Dixon has admitted that even his success in the US is not a ticket to formula one.

As the 35-year-old New Zealander prepares for the Daytona 24 hour race, he said sports cars has increasingly become a main outlet for professional racing drivers.

"Having a lot of talent doesn't get you to the top on its own anymore, especially in single seater racing," Dixon told the NZ Herald.

"In formula one, there's probably only six or eight guys who are getting paid, the rest are bringing money," he claimed.

"If you're driving well and you're quick, long distance racing is a good option right now.

"The manufacturers are not necessarily looking for money, so they take the talent and that's why you're seeing an increase of young people heading in that direction," added Dixon.
Not sure if he got the numbers right but at the moment there are 13 paid drivers and 7 pay drivers in f1.

For the coming season we will have 14 paid and 8 pay drivers.

If one does not consider Maldonado and Perez as pay drivers than the number will be down to 6.

Not sure if F1 is in such a bad state.

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FW17 wrote:
Reigning quadruple Indycar champion Scott Dixon has admitted that even his success in the US is not a ticket to formula one.

As the 35-year-old New Zealander prepares for the Daytona 24 hour race, he said sports cars has increasingly become a main outlet for professional racing drivers.

"Having a lot of talent doesn't get you to the top on its own anymore, especially in single seater racing," Dixon told the NZ Herald.

"In formula one, there's probably only six or eight guys who are getting paid, the rest are bringing money," he claimed.

"If you're driving well and you're quick, long distance racing is a good option right now.

"The manufacturers are not necessarily looking for money, so they take the talent and that's why you're seeing an increase of young people heading in that direction," added Dixon.
Not sure if he got the numbers right but at the moment there are 13 paid drivers and 7 pay drivers in f1.

For the coming season we will have 14 paid and 8 pay drivers.

If one does not consider Maldonado and Perez as pay drivers than the number will be down to 6.

Not sure if F1 is in such a bad state.
Depends how you define 'pay driver,' personally I see that as a tag for guys who wouldn't get near the grid without bringing sackful' of cash with them, but if you apply to any driver that brings sponsors, then even Alonso could be thought of as having been one, back when Santander supported him.

I'd say the best talent still makes its way to F1, but it's the otherwise good, solid driver type that may struggle without having sponsor support to jump them up the queue...

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About the pay driver title, it's interesting what Nasr said last year:

“I think it is quite stupid that people think that way. It is really a short way of thinking because I think more countries follow this example of supporting their own drivers,” he told Sky Sports.

“I have been together with Banco do Brasil for the last four or five years, we had a project on my career and we went through every step and I am glad to say I have never had to pay to race.

“When I was 16 I had offers from Red Bull, from Gravity, from other junior programmes, but I chose to go with Steve Robertson and I am still working with him nowadays. By the age of 16 I had my own car, my own salary, my own house, I didn’t have to pay for any championship I participated in.

“I think more people should follow this example and have these kind of companies supporting their own drivers. I think people are just interpreting it in the wrong way.


This is a nice point of view. What is exactly the difference between being sponsored (paid) to drive since early years by Red Bull, Santander or Banco do Brasil?

I think, as ScottB said, we have to go in a subjective matter, considering how good the driver is, and not the sponsors he brings. This is not easy mission.

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I suppose every team has at least one sponsor that looks at the drivers before committing, so the definition is indeed fuzzy.

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efuloni wrote:About the pay driver title, it's interesting what Nasr said last year:

“I think it is quite stupid that people think that way. It is really a short way of thinking because I think more countries follow this example of supporting their own drivers,” he told Sky Sports.

“I have been together with Banco do Brasil for the last four or five years, we had a project on my career and we went through every step and I am glad to say I have never had to pay to race.

“When I was 16 I had offers from Red Bull, from Gravity, from other junior programmes, but I chose to go with Steve Robertson and I am still working with him nowadays. By the age of 16 I had my own car, my own salary, my own house, I didn’t have to pay for any championship I participated in.

“I think more people should follow this example and have these kind of companies supporting their own drivers. I think people are just interpreting it in the wrong way.


This is a nice point of view. What is exactly the difference between being sponsored (paid) to drive since early years by Red Bull, Santander or Banco do Brasil?

I think, as ScottB said, we have to go in a subjective matter, considering how good the driver is, and not the sponsors he brings. This is not easy mission.

I was under the impression the "Pay Driver" insult was reserved for drivers who pay like Maldonado who are not good at driving and not for drivers who Pay but are good drivers like Alonso who is sponsored by Santander. To give an example if he feels insulted then maybe Nasr feels that he falls more into the category of Maldonado? I dont think he does hes a good driver but he should feel insulted if some people insult pay drivers like Maldonado. He should be more Alonso and justify why hes sponsored. As im sure he will.
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FrukostScones wrote:sooo, after MAL is prob. history soon :cry: ... Renault is on the route to ALO MAG in the near future?
(o c only if Honda underdelivers again massively, chassis wise I 'd rate McLAren much higher then Enstone; also in 2017)
http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.p ... -maldonado

we'll see...

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langwadt wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:sooo, after MAL is prob. history soon :cry: ... Renault is on the route to ALO MAG in the near future?
(o c only if Honda underdelivers again massively, chassis wise I 'd rate McLAren much higher then Enstone; also in 2017)
http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.p ... -maldonado

we'll see...
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It seems to me that Renault want an experienced driver next to Palmer, rather than two rookies, but the list is short for the V6 era. Who have we got:

* K-Mag
* JEV
* Sutil
* Kobayashi

So, it's hardly a rich landscape. I think Sutil may have had his day, and it would be fun to see Kobayashi back in F1, but I understand them choosing a younger driver. Between K-Mag and JEV, well, K-Mag is a free agent I guess.
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Out of all of those K-mag has the most experience with the new formula. Exactly one more race than Sutil.
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