Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[FW17]

Guess this will cost McLaren quiet a bit in design if the Arai compressor is moved out of the V.

[wickedz50]

[quote="FW17"]Guess this will cost McLaren quiet a bit in design if the Arai compressor is moved out of the V.[/quote

I am sure Mclaren was well aware of this situation coming. They have an alternative designed body work as well made in advance.

[GoranF1]

Wazari has been very quiet lately.....

[Facts Only]

With regards to these 'Rogue Engineering Team" rumours either:

A) its complete BS

or

B) The Honda F1 engine department is a massive uncontrolled mess in complete disarray with no hope of getting on top of their problems.

As for Arai going, he did seem to spend most of his time doing press interviews (Hyperbole). There seemed to be a new one every week, how many interviews did Andy Cowell do in 2014? He seemed more focussed on protecting his reputation and pleasing the media than just sorting out the problems.

[Thunder]

Well iirc Wazari reported Last Year that there is a Skunkworks Team at Honda that develops a parallel PU Design. I wouldn't call it Rogue and if it's all under one House i wouldn't call it a Mess too. A Little Competition can be quite helpful in a competitive Situation.

[GoranF1]

Well iirc Wazari reported Last Year that there is a Skunkworks Team at Honda that develops a parallel PU Design. I wouldn't call it Rogue and if it's all under one House i wouldn't call it a Mess too. A Little Competition can be quite helpful in a competitive Situation.

its looking like a mess on the time table at the moment.

[Thunder]

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 9616675840 https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 0937212928 https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 9877449728 Yeah, looks totally out of control. Maybe it's best if i curl up in a corner of the Room and cry myself to sleep.

[FW17]

Guess this will cost McLaren quiet a bit in design if the Arai compressor is moved out of the V.[/quote

I am sure Mclaren was well aware of this situation coming. They have an alternative designed body work as well made in advance.

Yeah.

The smartest thing to tell your partner is about a rouge faction.

[Alonsofor2017]

The fact that they developed different engines might be good for 2017 when there are no tokens and they know for sure which way was right, but might be bad for the short term (2016)

[Thunder]

Yeah.

The smartest thing to tell your partner is about a rouge faction.

That sounds like a great script for a Hollywood Movie.

[Jef Patat]

With regards to these 'Rogue Engineering Team" rumours either:

A) its complete BS

or

B) The Honda F1 engine department is a massive uncontrolled mess in complete disarray with no hope of getting on top of their problems.

I'm thinking along those same lines. A rogue team developing a complete engine? I just can't believe a company would spend those budgets and facilities 'unnoticed'. Maybe parts of the engine but even then it sounds like a crazy story.

[Facts Only]

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 9616675840
https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 0937212928
https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 9877449728

Yeah, looks totally out of control. Maybe it's best if i curl up in a corner of the Room and cry myself to sleep.

Yes because nothing that a company puts on twitter has been worded to show the company in the best light.

No offence Thunders but you signature shows that trying to have a measured discussion about McLaren/Honda with you is going to be a waste of energy.

Having worked in engineering and F1 for many years I can say that the whole Honda situation appears to be a massive trainwreck.

Let me just make one point, if you have 100 engineers, 75 of them working on the "main" project and then the best 25 "legends" working on a "rogue" project that you end up using all you have done is waste the time and work of 75 engineers.

You need a strong leader who gives a definitive unified direction for everyone to be working on together to achieve the best final outcome.

There are a lot of people (non-engineers I assume) on this forum who think that developing loads of different solutions is the best way forward. Theres an old saying for that "if you throw enough --- at the wall something will stick"

[Thunder]

Like i said, Wazari already talked about this if my Memory isn't completely fluffed. It is a Team of Ex-F1 Employees that just developed a different take on the Engine with full knowledge and Support from Honda.

I don't know where that "Rogue" Term comes from but it's BS.

[Thunder]

No offence Thunders but you signature shows that trying to have a measured discussion about McLaren/Honda with you is going to be a waste of energy.

I can accept all of what you're saying perfectly fine but are you really that new to Forum life to dismiss one Person just by what is written in the Signature? Come on, we're both better than that. Not everything i have written in this Thread was Sunshine and Rainbows for Honda.

We just have a different definition of Mess it seems, and like i said in my Post above that "Rogue" word niggles me.

Edit: Like i have said a few Times i have no clue about the Working Ethics and Culture of Honda. But if a Second Team is what it takes to fasttrack Development, the Company can afford it and knows how to manage the 2 Teams, bring it on.

[max_speed]

i guess fernando's views after today will signal what is going to happen...if he does not see significant improvement then he may take sabbatical from F1. all this could well be a normal transition OR a complete mess. i will stay pessimist but alonzo's word will give clear answers to all our doubts i dat think he would be mincing his words at all.