Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

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George-Jung
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Der_Meister45 wrote:forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?
I found this for you,..
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If I am correct it changes the wake behind the front wheels.
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George-Jung
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edit: double..

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George-Jung wrote:
Der_Meister45 wrote:forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?
I found this for you,..
http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/Imag ... compar.jpg
If I am correct it changes the wake behind the front wheels.
I support this message lol...

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I removed one and a half page of ranting about mercedes-ferrari bullsh*te. Flawed assumptions based on stint times based on a huge load of unknown variables, has nothing to do with the car's hardware. Next time I see feces plastering this car topic's walls, there will be warnings to be handed out like it was Christmas.

Oh, and I also moved the Mercedes tweet related posts to the Mercedes car topic. Helping out fellow members shouldn't be punished, so I made an exception for that I moved that saga as explained.
#AeroFrodo

munudeges
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Silent Storm wrote:A second wind to the pull rod vs push rod conversation.. :D

Adrian Newey on why push rod didn't make sense

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... -for-power
Pull-rod that is, but it tells you everything you need to know. He had to stop short of saying the whole thing was pointless.

munudeges
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gilgen wrote:he didnt say that the pullrod did not make sense, he said that he could not see any discernible difference and that it wasnt worth exploring the options
Yes he did, but he was trying to be as diplomatic as possible.

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munudeges wrote:
gilgen wrote:he didnt say that the pullrod did not make sense, he said that he could not see any discernible difference and that it wasnt worth exploring the options
Yes he did, but he was trying to be as diplomatic as possible.
its nice to know that you know better than adrian, as to what he says and means!

munudeges
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You only have to watch the interview. If they didn't put it on the car and he's saying "We couldn't see any advantage" and "If you listen to McLaren or Ferrari there was an aerodynamic advantage" then it didn't make sense. The last part means that they at Red Bull couldn't see what aerodynamic advantage they would get. Ergo, it didn't make sense.

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Ferrari testing rear wing with saw teeths at the trailing edge of upper flap. Zoom in to better see

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George-Jung wrote:
Der_Meister45 wrote:forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?
I found this for you,..
http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/Imag ... compar.jpg
If I am correct it changes the wake behind the front wheels.
Scarbs and couple other tech gurus said that the front tire wake is hard to control. And its unpredictability collapse the underfloor performance. So inwash design is in current regulation beacuse the netral wing section more difficult to achieve i believe. Even LMP1 cars with front fenders and wheell arches have outwash before sidepod.
"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver..." Ayrton Senna

f300v10
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F1NAC wrote:Ferrari testing rear wing with saw teeths at the trailing edge of upper flap. Zoom in to better see
Same wing from the front this time. This is a high rez image so zoom in.

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dot235
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f300v10 wrote:This is a high rez image so zoom in.
If you want us to be able to zoom in properly, first you need to create hyperlink...

Code: Select all

[url=img_source] [img]img_source[/img] [/url]
Like this:

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George-Jung wrote:
Der_Meister45 wrote:forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?
I found this for you,..
http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/Imag ... compar.jpg
If I am correct it changes the wake behind the front wheels.
not sure if it's accurate, but the way I personally interpret this picture - directing the air outwards the wheels helps to stop the vortices from breaking alongside the car.
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f300v10
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dot235 wrote:
If you want us to be able to zoom in properly, first you need to create hyperlink...

Like this:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... _HiRes.jpg
Sorry, I assume most readers here know how to right click on the image in question and select the 'open image in new tab' option. No hyperlink needed.
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kreuzass
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Slight wing flexing? Seems to be. Looks nice.

FLuidd
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Regarding the update on the rear wing , is that legal?
Also , what are the advantages us using that rear wing configuration ?