Red Bull RB12 TAG-Heuer

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Still air to air intercooling. I'm curious (because ,Mercedes and Ferrari have chosen air-water-air from the start) what the Renault works team will use. If you're struggling with throttle response, keeping the inlet trajectory as short as possible part of the solution.

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bill shoe wrote:
Packaging under the body is amazing. 3D CAD does not achieve that. Well organized people working together achieves that.

Also impressive that despite the extremely clean and tight rear end, RB actually have the shortest wheelbase on the grid. That from the excellent 2016 Comparison thread.
While quite impressive, I'm surprised no one has gone the Mercedes route with the 'package' set-up they have under the sidepods.
Honda!

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Forgive the probably-already-answered-a-thousand-times question, but why exactly is their tea tray support strut transparent?
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Gridlock wrote:Forgive the probably-already-answered-a-thousand-times question, but why exactly is their tea tray support strut transparent?
It isn't. Optical illusion. It's made of a thin strip of shiny metal.

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Jolle wrote:
Gridlock wrote:Forgive the probably-already-answered-a-thousand-times question, but why exactly is their tea tray support strut transparent?
It isn't. Optical illusion. It's made of a thin strip of shiny metal.
That really doesn't seem to be the case in this shot, every single straight line appears where it should with zero reflection angles?

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I'm prepared to accept it is, optical illusions are about 20% of this forum :D but if so that's one hell of a photo.
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Gridlock wrote:
Jolle wrote:
Gridlock wrote:Forgive the probably-already-answered-a-thousand-times question, but why exactly is their tea tray support strut transparent?
It isn't. Optical illusion. It's made of a thin strip of shiny metal.
That really doesn't seem to be the case in this shot, every single straight line appears where it should with zero reflection angles?

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red ... 935671.jpg

I'm prepared to accept it is, optical illusions are about 20% of this forum :D but if so that's one hell of a photo.
Well, if a reflective surface is perpendicular and perfectly centred with a perfectly symmetrical t-tray then the reflected lines would appear exactly in the same place has it was transparent. Except maybe the lower one which seems to have a different shade of blue cause by different lightning of the edge of the T-tray (so it could be different from right to left). Still I am not convinced one way or the other.

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Big Mangalhit wrote:
Gridlock wrote:
Jolle wrote:
It isn't. Optical illusion. It's made of a thin strip of shiny metal.
That really doesn't seem to be the case in this shot, every single straight line appears where it should with zero reflection angles?


http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red ... 935671.jpg

I'm prepared to accept it is, optical illusions are about 20% of this forum :D but if so that's one hell of a photo.
Well, if a reflective surface is perpendicular and perfectly centred with a perfectly symmetrical t-tray then the reflected lines would appear exactly in the same place has it was transparent. Except maybe the lower one which seems to have a different shade of blue cause by different lightning of the edge of the T-tray (so it could be different from right to left). Still I am not convinced one way or the other.
Go back to page six on this topic to see it more clear. It's metal! :P

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The nose knuckle between fw, are different. There is a distinct angle on the new one, theres a visible kink where it slopes down.

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Jolle wrote:
Big Mangalhit wrote:
Gridlock wrote:
That really doesn't seem to be the case in this shot, every single straight line appears where it should with zero reflection angles?


http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red ... 935671.jpg

I'm prepared to accept it is, optical illusions are about 20% of this forum :D but if so that's one hell of a photo.
Well, if a reflective surface is perpendicular and perfectly centred with a perfectly symmetrical t-tray then the reflected lines would appear exactly in the same place has it was transparent. Except maybe the lower one which seems to have a different shade of blue cause by different lightning of the edge of the T-tray (so it could be different from right to left). Still I am not convinced one way or the other.
Go back to page six on this topic to see it more clear. It's metal! :P
Although I haven't been in this discussion, I would concede at least that in February it appears the t-tray support WAS metallic. Maybe we're wrong, but in that recent photo though it sure looks transparent.

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Gridlock wrote:
Jolle wrote:
Gridlock wrote:Forgive the probably-already-answered-a-thousand-times question, but why exactly is their tea tray support strut transparent?
It isn't. Optical illusion. It's made of a thin strip of shiny metal.
That really doesn't seem to be the case in this shot, every single straight line appears where it should with zero reflection angles?

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red ... 935671.jpg

I'm prepared to accept it is, optical illusions are about 20% of this forum :D but if so that's one hell of a photo.
A couple of years ago, we had the same discussion about Ferraris transparent shark fin on the engine cover.

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The light rays visible on the T-tray make it clear it's not transparent. The light is coming from the front left of the car(visible side), and thus, if it was transparent, would not reflect the light in such a manner
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It's either completely transparent or one hell of an optical illusion, personally I think the former as zoomed in tightly I can see all the lines behind it unbroken and all the colour gradients intact.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jvdr89w0zjuu ... CwSTh0-vDa
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If you guys had just taken the time to go back to page 6, like Jolle suggested, you'd avoid this sort of discussion.
From all the materials available, including all metals and composites allowed in Formula One, why would they use clear plastic for this component?

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I am absolutely sure that, since F1 teams never try any new solutions, that there is no need to even question the material being used. #-o

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its not clear seen it in person today :)