Closed Cockpits agreed for 2017

[i70q7m7ghw]

Looking at this device, I don't think it would have saved Surtees... If I recall correctly, the tyre came almost straight down on top of him...

[djos]

Looking at this device, I don't think it would have saved Surtees... If I recall correctly, the tyre came almost straight down on top of him...

I disagree, the tire came into the cockpit sideways across the front of the nose so I think it would have been enough to save him.

[Henk]

The t-cam view looks much better compared to the Halo. Mirrors are also well visible from within the cockpit.

A lot of people complain about the t-cam view as if that is the only thing you can't ever change on the car. The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras.

Complaining about that is as shortsighted as the view from the t-cam with the halo.

I don't know if you think that way, but some people on Sky are always quick to come up with these easily solvable problems.

[Jolle]

Imagine the RedBull solution, somebody blows their engine on the run to L'au Rouge just in front of you. Oil and water on you're wind screen and no possibility to clear it any soon.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Looking at this device, I don't think it would have saved Surtees... If I recall correctly, the tyre came almost straight down on top of him...

I disagree, the tire came into the cockpit sideways across the front of the nose so I think it would have been enough to save him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eHU5Bqe_4Q

Yes looking at that, perhaps this would have saved him. I guess if impacts from directly above really were a concern, they could put a removable bar across the top of the halo directly over the drivers head.

The t-cam view looks much better compared to the Halo. Mirrors are also well visible from within the cockpit.

A lot of people complain about the t-cam view as if that is the only thing you can't ever change on the car. The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras.

Complaining about that is as shortsighted as the view from the t-cam with the halo.

I don't know if you think that way, but some people on Sky are always quick to come up with these easily solvable problems.

I didn't even realise people were bringing up the t-cam view... what nonsense. For me, t-cam, aero etc. are secondary.

The primary objective is to improve safety. I feel the Red Bull concept does this best. It has the benefits of the halo with better visibility, and with the windshield added protection from smaller debris. Unlike a canopy, the would still be room for a driver to crawl out in an accident such as the one Alonso had at the last race.

Overall, the Red Bull version of the halo is the best solution I've seen so car.

[THENOMAD79]

[andrewf1]

The t-cam view looks much better compared to the Halo. Mirrors are also well visible from within the cockpit.

A lot of people complain about the t-cam view as if that is the only thing you can't ever change on the car. The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras.

Complaining about that is as shortsighted as the view from the t-cam with the halo.

I don't know if you think that way, but some people on Sky are always quick to come up with these easily solvable problems.

I don't recall anyone making the argument that no head protection should be implemented because it would ruin the camera views. However, that's not to say that this aspect should be dismissed either.

The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras, sure - but that doesn't mean the generated imagery is of the same quality. The great thing about the current t-cam view is that you see both the driver and the car up-close, following the racetrack, without any sort of obstruction. You want to see the driver, his hands, the steering wheel and the road ahead in the same shot. Repositioning the camera and seeing just the driver, or just the nose of the car is not the same.

So while I do agree that these issues are solvable one way or the other, it's perfectly valid to want to compare to what was offered previously.

[djos]

Imagine the RedBull solution, somebody blows their engine on the run to L'au Rouge just in front of you. Oil and water on you're wind screen and no possibility to clear it any soon.

They'll put tear-offs on them just like any other motorsport with a windshield.

[djos]

The t-cam view looks much better compared to the Halo. Mirrors are also well visible from within the cockpit.

A lot of people complain about the t-cam view as if that is the only thing you can't ever change on the car. The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras.

Complaining about that is as shortsighted as the view from the t-cam with the halo.

I don't know if you think that way, but some people on Sky are always quick to come up with these easily solvable problems.

I don't recall anyone making the argument that no head protection should be implemented because it would ruin the camera views. However, that's not to say that this aspect should be dismissed either.

The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras, sure - but that doesn't mean the generated imagery is of the same quality. The great thing about the current t-cam view is that you see both the driver and the car up-close, following the racetrack, without any sort of obstruction. You want to see the driver, his hands, the steering wheel and the road ahead in the same shot. Repositioning the camera and seeing just the driver, or just the nose of the car is not the same.

So while I do agree that these issues are solvable one way or the other, it's perfectly valid to want to compare to what was offered previously.

I'm pretty sure the RedBull solution won't impede the t-cam view at all.

[Peter1919]

I wonder if Alonso would have been able to exit his car so quickly and easily after his crash this weekend if the halo or red bull windscreen solutions had been implemented.

[andrewf1]

A lot of people complain about the t-cam view as if that is the only thing you can't ever change on the car. The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras.

Complaining about that is as shortsighted as the view from the t-cam with the halo.

I don't know if you think that way, but some people on Sky are always quick to come up with these easily solvable problems.

I don't recall anyone making the argument that no head protection should be implemented because it would ruin the camera views. However, that's not to say that this aspect should be dismissed either.

The new head protection parts could also serve as places to put cameras, sure - but that doesn't mean the generated imagery is of the same quality. The great thing about the current t-cam view is that you see both the driver and the car up-close, following the racetrack, without any sort of obstruction. You want to see the driver, his hands, the steering wheel and the road ahead in the same shot. Repositioning the camera and seeing just the driver, or just the nose of the car is not the same.

So while I do agree that these issues are solvable one way or the other, it's perfectly valid to want to compare to what was offered previously.

I'm pretty sure the RedBull solution won't impede the t-cam view at all.

Indeed it doesn't. You can check the image I posted on the previous page.

[PlatinumZealot]

Looking at this device, I don't think it would have saved Surtees... If I recall correctly, the tyre came almost straight down on top of him...

I disagree, the tire came into the cockpit sideways across the front of the nose so I think it would have been enough to save him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eHU5Bqe_4Q

Proper wheel tethers would have saved him though. Before the cockpit is used as the be all end all for driver protection from foreign objects the other safety system have to be scrutinized in more detail.

[Thunder]

So do they have OilX also

I'm sure they can find a way. Just look at that stuff and then Imagine F1 working on it with Huge Budgets to perfect it.

[Jolle]

Imagine the RedBull solution, somebody blows their engine on the run to L'au Rouge just in front of you. Oil and water on you're wind screen and no possibility to clear it any soon.

They'll put tear-offs on them just like any other motorsport with a windshield.

I think one of the first rules of safety should be: "keep it simple"

[GM7]

As requested I can't vouch for the accuracy of the model, but it's roughly similar in proportions to the Red Bull proposal.
Open images in a new tab for the full-size renders.

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The t-cam view looks much better compared to the Halo. Mirrors are also well visible from within the cockpit.

It looks quite good ! thanks for the render