Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
Ok. I see why you say that but geometry shows that you can fit circles of any radius inside a V. It is just a matter of how tall Honda would make the engine. The v6 is 90 degrees so if you put a circle in the v you can create an imaginary square from the centre of the circle to the edges to the corner of the V. The length of each side is equeal to the radius and Each bank is 45 degrees to horizontal. Soo.. For an extreme case,and assumingthat that there is absolutely no space clearance around the turbo in the Vee, a 30mm bigger turbo will increase the height of the top of the turbo by (30/2)mm/cos45 degrees +(30/2)mm= 21mm +15mm = 36mm.OviJohn wrote:If you review the video and stills posted here, along with following translations:PlatinumZealot wrote:Confirm?Sasha wrote:The between the engine v Compressor is about maxed out now and Honda ICE is still far behind MB and Ferrari.(and it can not get bigger where it is now)
With a new Combustion Chamber it will need a bigger Compressor to make the power.(still needs a bigger compressor if stay with same combustion chamber to make more top-end power and better driveability)
18-20 tokens needed to do what is needed to the Honda PU.(Honda has 14)
Honda could get some done on reliability reasons.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... start=3375
Seems like they´re pretty much out of working room for further TC expansion within the V
30cm? That sounds ... impossible almost. Where is this information from?Sasha wrote:Their compressor is about 30 cm long now.(kinda like a long and skinny multi-stage axial flow turbojet but it isn't axial flow or multi-stage).Just a tricky radial design to fit in the V of the engine and leave room for the adj. trumpets.
Mixed flow compressorhurril wrote:30cm? That sounds ... impossible almost. Where is this information from?Sasha wrote:Their compressor is about 30 cm long now.(kinda like a long and skinny multi-stage axial flow turbojet but it isn't axial flow or multi-stage).Just a tricky radial design to fit in the V of the engine and leave room for the adj. trumpets.
Indeed. That would make it about as long as the cylinder block.hurril wrote:30cm? That sounds ... impossible almost. Where is this information from?Sasha wrote:Their compressor is about 30 cm long now.(kinda like a long and skinny multi-stage axial flow turbojet but it isn't axial flow or multi-stage).Just a tricky radial design to fit in the V of the engine and leave room for the adj. trumpets.
Precisely. Where would the MGU-h go? Does the compressor housing curl around it? Is this out of thin air or does someone actually know something about this?wuzak wrote:Indeed. That would make it about as long as the cylinder block.hurril wrote:30cm? That sounds ... impossible almost. Where is this information from?Sasha wrote:Their compressor is about 30 cm long now.(kinda like a long and skinny multi-stage axial flow turbojet but it isn't axial flow or multi-stage).Just a tricky radial design to fit in the V of the engine and leave room for the adj. trumpets.
Where are they saying this?Sasha wrote:Yes,Honda didn't break it down by part,it's the whole unit with shaft(not turbine)....sorry!
I do not think this _must_ be the case (that they solved the problem completely), they could be runing 90%, (or whatever) of the power to keep ES from depleting to early. The difference in 1 lap speed and race speed is still noticable, but at least they now have the capability to put the hammer down for the whole lap. It is improving all the time.NL_Fer wrote:I saw the Honda rear light flash at the end of the back straight, which is very good. It means the ES is it depleted to early anymore, the bigger turbine seems to work.
