Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[diffuser]

It looks to me, looking at the rear wing images, they're running less downforce than other teams.

Not sure about this...

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I´d say McHonda run more wind than STR, similar if not more wing than FI too, and even Ferrari wing does look similar if not flatter. Wing colors can be confusing tough

It's even harder to tell from behind. You can't see the angle of the bottom part of the wing. The concave almost "U" shape that makes up the bottom part of the wing is angled so high from the front that it often not catch any air.

[hemichromis]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

[Thunder]

Well Ron Dennis has to bite that Bullet someday. Honda, i think, would love to run their Engine in another 2 Cars.

[Phillyred]

I would think that at the very least having another 2 cars would provide more feedback to help accelerate development and performance.. THAT IS, if this engine formula isn't scrapped in the next few years.

[damager21]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

[ojlopez]

I would think that at the very least having another 2 cars would provide more feedback to help accelerate development and performance.. THAT IS, if this engine formula isn't scrapped in the next few years.

With Bernie there, anything is possible. And that is not good for F1.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see the Honda PU in the Red Bulls or the STR's.

[bauc]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Ferrari said they will not rebrand Sauber to AlfaRomeo so I guess that old talk of Sauber going with Honda can just happen after all

[wuzak]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

Toro Rosso using year old Ferrari PUs was for this year only, and largely due to the lateness of them signing with Ferrari.

[hemichromis]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

Toro Rosso using year old Ferrari PUs was for this year only, and largely due to the lateness of them signing with Ferrari.

Is there any benefit to having a previous years engine? Ferrari's jump in power is quite small this year, would an engine that has had a full year to work out any problems, that has 99% of the power make sense?

It will be interesting to see if Ferrari offer Toro Rosso a 2017 engine next year.

[Logie]

No surprise, I guess it could be worth a gambol as

a) I guess Honda would be the cheapest option and
b) There is a chance they could come out with competitive engine

Honda want it because they get more data and more money

[dr_cooke]

Hi, maybe non directly related to HONDA power unit, but I thought I would share it here. Pls remove this post if meaningless.

I must admint this was the first place where I read the term "skunkworks" and, as I understood its meaning from the context, I never tried to look for its origin. Just by chance I came across this sentence in wikipedia:

"Lockheed's previous reconnaissance aircraft was the relatively slow U-2, designed for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In late 1957, the CIA approached the defense contractor Lockheed to build an undetectable spy plane. The project, named Archangel, was led by Kelly Johnson, head of Lockheed's Skunk Works unit"

and... it seems the term's origin is actually Lockheed, back in WWII:

"The term originated during World War II when the P-80 Shooting Star was designed by Lockheed’s Advanced Development Projects Division in Burbank, California, under similar circumstances. A closely guarded incubator was set up in a circus tent next to a plastics factory in Burbank. The strong smells that wafted into the tent made the Lockheed R&D workers think of the foul-smelling “Skonk Works” factory in Al Capp’s Li'l Abner comic strip."

Funny it comes form a team desingning weapons against Japan (among others).

[ESPImperium]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

Both Sauber and Toro Rosso have been in contact, Toro Rosso are being made to pay a reported €28m for this years supply of a year old engine, where last year Manor paid €10m less than that for their supply. Sauber are at the end of their 3 year deal this year, and are looking for a reduction on their €20m fee for their supply, but their fee is supplemented by Ferrari being able to use the Sauber wind tunnel for verification figures for their tunnel. But Sauber also pay €10m for their gearbox supply as well from Ferrari, so Sauber pay Ferrari €30m in total.

Id say both would be good candidates, Sauber are looking for a contractor to design and build their simulator, with that in mind, if Sauber/Honda/McLaren can come to an arrangement for a Honda Power Unit, a McLaren Gearbox and rear suspension supply and a McLaren Applied Technologies Simulation Suite for €30m a year (€17m PU/€6m Rear End/€7m Simulator) they would be in for a killer deal. It could be also supplemented with Honda supplying a Honda Junior driver for FP1 sessions for 14 races a year, and the McLaren Simulator would take 2 years to pay off as it costs €21m if a building and such needs built, but if its internal to the factory (they have space) it would cost €14m if they don't need a fitness suite built in as well.

As for Toro Rosso, I think there's a more interesting thing going to happen here, Honda will supply them with a PU, and they will run the Red Bull rear end, however I think Ron will make sure that Honda take a driver with them, as I think Danny K is away to Renault to replace Palmer next year, and Max will take a step up, leaving Vandoorne to take the second STR seat to prepair him for Alonso or Buttons retirement in 2018.

If McLaren and Honda get another team or even two, the Honda development will increase and the Honda PU will finally make the ground it should have been making on the other 3 PUs in F1.

[hemichromis]

Rumor:

Honda has been approached by several teams and is - along with Ron Dennis - in discussion about providing another team with a PU next year?!

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

Both Sauber and Toro Rosso have been in contact, Toro Rosso are being made to pay a reported €28m for this years supply of a year old engine, where last year Manor paid €10m less than that for their supply. Sauber are at the end of their 3 year deal this year, and are looking for a reduction on their €20m fee for their supply, but their fee is supplemented by Ferrari being able to use the Sauber wind tunnel for verification figures for their tunnel. But Sauber also pay €10m for their gearbox supply as well from Ferrari, so Sauber pay Ferrari €30m in total.

Id say both would be good candidates, Sauber are looking for a contractor to design and build their simulator, with that in mind, if Sauber/Honda/McLaren can come to an arrangement for a Honda Power Unit, a McLaren Gearbox and rear suspension supply and a McLaren Applied Technologies Simulation Suite for €30m a year (€17m PU/€6m Rear End/€7m Simulator) they would be in for a killer deal. It could be also supplemented with Honda supplying a Honda Junior driver for FP1 sessions for 14 races a year, and the McLaren Simulator would take 2 years to pay off as it costs €21m if a building and such needs built, but if its internal to the factory (they have space) it would cost €14m if they don't need a fitness suite built in as well.

As for Toro Rosso, I think there's a more interesting thing going to happen here, Honda will supply them with a PU, and they will run the Red Bull rear end, however I think Ron will make sure that Honda take a driver with them, as I think Danny K is away to Renault to replace Palmer next year, and Max will take a step up, leaving Vandoorne to take the second STR seat to prepair him for Alonso or Buttons retirement in 2018.

If McLaren and Honda get another team or even two, the Honda development will increase and the Honda PU will finally make the ground it should have been making on the other 3 PUs in F1.

Interesting but why wouldn't Toro Rosso take a Renault engine?
Red bull seem happy with theirs now and it's likely to get significantly better throughout the year.

[ESPImperium]

Could be Torro Rosso given that they will continue to get a year old engine from Ferrari. The other teams could be Sauber and Force India, if Honda was to offer them engine at a lower price

Both Sauber and Toro Rosso have been in contact, Toro Rosso are being made to pay a reported €28m for this years supply of a year old engine, where last year Manor paid €10m less than that for their supply. Sauber are at the end of their 3 year deal this year, and are looking for a reduction on their €20m fee for their supply, but their fee is supplemented by Ferrari being able to use the Sauber wind tunnel for verification figures for their tunnel. But Sauber also pay €10m for their gearbox supply as well from Ferrari, so Sauber pay Ferrari €30m in total.

Id say both would be good candidates, Sauber are looking for a contractor to design and build their simulator, with that in mind, if Sauber/Honda/McLaren can come to an arrangement for a Honda Power Unit, a McLaren Gearbox and rear suspension supply and a McLaren Applied Technologies Simulation Suite for €30m a year (€17m PU/€6m Rear End/€7m Simulator) they would be in for a killer deal. It could be also supplemented with Honda supplying a Honda Junior driver for FP1 sessions for 14 races a year, and the McLaren Simulator would take 2 years to pay off as it costs €21m if a building and such needs built, but if its internal to the factory (they have space) it would cost €14m if they don't need a fitness suite built in as well.

As for Toro Rosso, I think there's a more interesting thing going to happen here, Honda will supply them with a PU, and they will run the Red Bull rear end, however I think Ron will make sure that Honda take a driver with them, as I think Danny K is away to Renault to replace Palmer next year, and Max will take a step up, leaving Vandoorne to take the second STR seat to prepair him for Alonso or Buttons retirement in 2018.

If McLaren and Honda get another team or even two, the Honda development will increase and the Honda PU will finally make the ground it should have been making on the other 3 PUs in F1.

Interesting but why wouldn't Toro Rosso take a Renault engine?
Red bull seem happy with theirs now and it's likely to get significantly better throughout the year.

Renault only want one more team to supply, and will supply Red Bull till the end of 2017 when they will need a supply. Red Bull are happy, but once Renault introduce their new ICE with combustion chamber and HCCI and many other revised components and later once their TC is introduced. The Renault has made steps, and could get towards Mercedes quicker than Ferrari, but STR are interested in the Honda as they feel theres a better step to come. And it means that there will be data pollination towards Red Bull as well as some have reported the Honda may be on top in 2018. Thats if the present rules are kept and the revision to the V6T-HY that is rumoured to be coming isn't kicked repeatedly into the long grass.

Too many political reasons, I'm sure that all will become clear in the summer once the deep politicking has been done/gets started.

[Peter1919]

As for Toro Rosso, I think there's a more interesting thing going to happen here, Honda will supply them with a PU, and they will run the Red Bull rear end, however I think Ron will make sure that Honda take a driver with them, as I think Danny K is away to Renault to replace Palmer next year, and Max will take a step up, leaving Vandoorne to take the second STR seat to prepair him for Alonso or Buttons retirement in 2018.

I can't see Toro Rosso taking on a non Red Bull driver, they have their own very successful young driver programme why would they agree to develop a rival team's young driver rather than their own in exchange for a supply of what is currently the worst engine out of the 4 manufacturers available?