Aston Martin wants hyper-car to be faster than F1 cars

[SR71]

Just keeping tabs on this project and adding a bit more information.

Aston Martin now makes a road legal Vulcan.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/20/11464 ... n-requests

The Vulcan currently holds the lap record at Nardo, 2min 07sec lap time, which Aston says is nine seconds faster than a McLaren P1 road car.

Aston road cars faster than Mclaren P1, check...

If you read the article you will easily understand that the road legal version of the vulcan will be much slower than the original one.

EDIT actually didn't find any time for the vulcan (even the original one) on fastestlap.com

Are you just making stuff up?

If you read the article you will easily understand that it said THIS:

"Autocar reports that Aston is working with an outside firm to complete the conversions — at significant expense to the owner, of course — which will entail changes for safety compliance, comfort and usability, and any other customizations that the owner requests."


Do you see where it says "changes" and then it fails to mention performance? So why are you making things up?

Again, disregarding the irrelevant comment. Aston making a road legal car faster than the P1, Check!

EDIT: just checked fastestlap.com - Turns out fastestlap.com is an available domain. Please disregard all comments from user who claims this website as a valid source.

PS EDIT, anyone debunking a claim based on lack of evidence from any website who proposes to be the ultimate domain of all fastest laps confirmed at all world wide tracks is a tinfoil wearing conspiracy theorist.

[SR71]

well I don't know if it's fast,
for sure it's not so pretty...
that rear wing is just a little bit disharmonious

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/list/12 ... n-vulcan#1

Define disharmonious in accurate CFD terms?

Have you seen the CFD reports of the vulcan and this is what your basing your comment on? I'll assume you havent, so youre opinion is based on visual harmony which has nothing to do with performance.

[wesley123]

If you read the article you will easily understand that it said THIS:

"Autocar reports that Aston is working with an outside firm to complete the conversions — at significant expense to the owner, of course — which will entail changes for safety compliance, comfort and usability, and any other customizations that the owner requests."


Do you see where it says "changes" and then it fails to mention performance? So why are you making things up?

Things have a weight(this is still true in 2016!), so adding more things to a car will add more weight, more weight will reduce the performance. It's as simple as that.

[motobaleno]

If you read the article you will easily understand that it said THIS:

"Autocar reports that Aston is working with an outside firm to complete the conversions — at significant expense to the owner, of course — which will entail changes for safety compliance, comfort and usability, and any other customizations that the owner requests."


Do you see where it says "changes" and then it fails to mention performance? So why are you making things up?

Things have a weight(this is still true in 2016!), so adding more things to a car will add more weight, more weight will reduce the performance. It's as simple as that.

weight is one thing. another (major) one is ride height and suspension stifness
the article says clearly that to get road compliant the Vulcan must be heighted and get softer suspension...

[motobaleno]

well I don't know if it's fast,
for sure it's not so pretty...
that rear wing is just a little bit disharmonious

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/list/12 ... n-vulcan#1

Define disharmonious in accurate CFD terms?

Have you seen the CFD reports of the vulcan and this is what your basing your comment on? I'll assume you havent, so youre opinion is based on visual harmony which has nothing to do with performance.

It's simply hugly to see.
maybe in your opinion that's not accurate CFD terms But it's not so important to me.
the fact that aston martin needs to use such huge rear wing to get performance means that maybe they are not so good in CFD...it's easy to get performance adding huge aero appendix....but that's the difference between a race car and a hyper road car...the latter should be also beautiful.

[Tim.Wright]

The main thing that will hurt performance will be the engine retune for emissions regulations and losing the racing slick tyres (although they haven't said whether the Nardo laptime was done on slicks or road tyres)

For me it's pretty obvious that it was racing slicks as you can't pull 7% of laptime over another similarly powered car in any other way.

[Just_a_fan]

The Aston Red Bull will be made in two versions: Street and track. The track version will be how they make their F1-rivaling claims; the road version will significantly slower on track for obvious reasons.

[SR71]

The main thing that will hurt performance will be the engine retune for emissions regulations and losing the racing slick tyres (although they haven't said whether the Nardo laptime was done on slicks or road tyres)

For me it's pretty obvious that it was racing slicks as you can't pull 7% of laptime over another similarly powered car in any other way.

There will be a performance hit for sure. However they could also retune for more power as well. The shop handling the conversion is known for stepping up power.

You can always put slicks back on at the track which is where lap times are set.

EDIT: from Top Gear

In fact the standard tyre that comes on the Vulcan is the road-legal Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2. A set of slicks will cost you £5,000. A drop in the £1.8 million ocean…

However, don’t dismiss the Cup 2. Around Nardo it was only four seconds per lap slower than the racing slick and Aston couldn’t believe how well it coped with the forces the Vulcan delivers.


Guess it runs on road legal tires (that can handle 1300kg of downforce at 200mph)...

[mrluke]

Yeah thats nowhere near enough to match f1 tho is it.

[SR71]

Yeah thats nowhere near enough to match f1 tho is it.

Are you responding to someone who said it was? I must have missed that post.

[mrluke]

Guess it runs on road legal tires (that can handle 1300kg of downforce at 200mph)...

Yeah thats nowhere near enough to match f1 tho is it.

Are you responding to someone who said it was? I must have missed that post.

I don't see why you make the point above when you acknowledge it has no relevance to the current topic.

[SR71]

Yeah thats nowhere near enough to match f1 tho is it.

Are you responding to someone who said it was? I must have missed that post.

I don't see why you make the point above when you acknowledge it has no relevance to the current topic.

This thread has contained statements that AM aren't even capable of delivering a car on par with a P1/918/La Ferrari.

I think now we have a background that demonstrates this isnt true and highlights the fact that AM are at the sharp end of the hypercar producers. This gives strong credibility to their ability in partnership with a company like Red Bull to deliver even more performance.

[flmkane]

Are you responding to someone who said it was? I must have missed that post.

I don't see why you make the point above when you acknowledge it has no relevance to the current topic.

This thread has contained statements that AM aren't even capable of delivering a car on par with a P1/918/La Ferrari.

I think now we have a background that demonstrates this isnt true and highlights the fact that AM are at the sharp end of the hypercar producers. This gives strong credibility to their ability in partnership with a company like Red Bull to deliver even more performance.

Okay mods, this is a personal attack. I'll understand if you delete this.

SR71, people in this thread kept saying that delivering an F1 (Formula One, not McLaren F1) beating beating road car is practically impossible. You kept on spouting nonsense about how bolting on active aero, active suspension, ground effects and all other banned F1 tech will make that possible, because Adrian Newey is a god.

It's OK that you are too blind to question your god, the problem is that you continuously talk down to the other forum posters, you misquote your sources and worst of all you accuse the forum members of making statements they never made.

At worst, you are a jerk because you are harassing people. At best, you need to go back to school to work on your reading comprehension. If you read your own damn source like, you will find that AM is replacing the diffuser on their road going version, so it DOES NOT handle 1300kg of downforce on street tyres.

[SR71]

I don't see why you make the point above when you acknowledge it has no relevance to the current topic.

This thread has contained statements that AM aren't even capable of delivering a car on par with a P1/918/La Ferrari.

I think now we have a background that demonstrates this isnt true and highlights the fact that AM are at the sharp end of the hypercar producers. This gives strong credibility to their ability in partnership with a company like Red Bull to deliver even more performance.

Okay mods, this is a personal attack. I'll understand if you delete this.

SR71, people in this thread kept saying that delivering an F1 (Formula One, not McLaren F1) beating beating road car is practically impossible. You kept on spouting nonsense about how bolting on active aero, active suspension, ground effects and all other banned F1 tech will make that possible, because Adrian Newey is a god.

It's OK that you are too blind to question your god, the problem is that you continuously talk down to the other forum posters, you misquote your sources and worst of all you accuse the forum members of making statements they never made.

At worst, you are a jerk because you are harassing people. At best, you need to go back to school to work on your reading comprehension. If you read your own damn source like, you will find that AM is replacing the diffuser on their road going version, so it DOES NOT handle 1300kg of downforce on street tyres.

AM isn't replacing anything. They aren't handling the street legal conversion. so, you would be wrong if my point below wasn't more relevant (and thus showing you doubly wrong)

The Vulcan in track spec form ACTUALLY comes with road tires (pilot sport cup 2) just like my source said.

So again, you're wrong. Road legal pilot sport Cup 2 tires and 1300 kg of downforce.

What was that you were saying about reading comprehension?

[DiogoBrand]

I don't see why you make the point above when you acknowledge it has no relevance to the current topic.

This thread has contained statements that AM aren't even capable of delivering a car on par with a P1/918/La Ferrari.

I think now we have a background that demonstrates this isnt true and highlights the fact that AM are at the sharp end of the hypercar producers. This gives strong credibility to their ability in partnership with a company like Red Bull to deliver even more performance.

Okay mods, this is a personal attack. I'll understand if you delete this.

SR71, people in this thread kept saying that delivering an F1 (Formula One, not McLaren F1) beating beating road car is practically impossible. You kept on spouting nonsense about how bolting on active aero, active suspension, ground effects and all other banned F1 tech will make that possible, because Adrian Newey is a god.

It's OK that you are too blind to question your god, the problem is that you continuously talk down to the other forum posters, you misquote your sources and worst of all you accuse the forum members of making statements they never made.

At worst, you are a jerk because you are harassing people. At best, you need to go back to school to work on your reading comprehension. If you read your own damn source like, you will find that AM is replacing the diffuser on their road going version, so it DOES NOT handle 1300kg of downforce on street tyres.

I'm thinking the only reason people still give him some attention is because they, like myself as car and engineering enthusiast, want to be proven wrong when they say a road going car that laps faster than F1 is not doable.
But there comes a point when we have to admit that if we are to be proven wrong, it's not going to be by a guy that simply assumes something because he thinks Adrian Newey turns everything to gold, and then there's no point in giving him any attention anymore. At least that's what I did.