Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[makecry]

It would be good to get the Honda PU in another car rather than just Mclaren. Really difficult to judge where it sits against the competition and would surely help Honda develop the PU by doubling the number of miles it does each season.

I don't think that is needed. It is pretty obvious the Honda lump is the worst of the bunch. It's made huge strides over last year, but still down a bit on power over a range of fuel settings.

Once Honda produces a top PU, the car will probably be nipping at Ferrari, fighting with Williams.

Disagree. In 2014, the first year of the current regs Mclaren had the best PU and were nowhere. In monaco the track least affected by the PU, Mclaren were nearly 2 seconds behind pole.

Can we really say that the Honda PU is demonstrably worse than say Renault?

But even so, doubling the mileage for the PUs each weekend would surely aid development?

How does 2014's car matter here? 2014 was different. I don't think that's a discussion for this thread so I am not going to go further into it. But 2014=/=2016. It's a different car and a much better one at that.

And yes, Honda's PU is "demonstrably" worse than Renault and even last year's Ferrari PU. It being worse than last year's Ferrari PU is just proved by Hasegawa saying that the ICE was in Australia had same output as in 2015 Abu Dhabi. (yes!) and in 2015 Abu Dhabi Ferrari's ICE was almost as good as Mercedes'.

[Andres125sx]

It would be good to get the Honda PU in another car rather than just Mclaren. Really difficult to judge where it sits against the competition and would surely help Honda develop the PU by doubling the number of miles it does each season.

I don't think that is needed. It is pretty obvious the Honda lump is the worst of the bunch. It's made huge strides over last year, but still down a bit on power over a range of fuel settings.

Once Honda produces a top PU, the car will probably be nipping at Ferrari, fighting with Williams.

Disagree. In 2014, the first year of the current regs Mclaren had the best PU and were nowhere. In monaco the track least affected by the PU, Mclaren were nearly 2 seconds behind pole.

In 2014 with Mercede PU it was 1,5 seconds behind pole. This season with Honda PU it´s been 1,7 seconds.

Do you think Honda 2016 PU is better (relative to best PU) when compared with 2014 Mercedes PU? Obviously no

If we assume Honda PU is way more than 2 tenths slower than Mercedes PU, we must also assume McLaren 2016 chasis is several steps ahead of McLaren 2014 chasis (always relative comparisons with best rival), and that´s the reason with Honda PU they´re only 2 tenths slower than 2014 season, slower PU but better chasis wich almost compensate PU difference

In Monaco PU is not that relevant, but that´s with traditional engines wich were only good for some tenths difference between fastest and slowest, but with current PUs that difference might be measured in seconds instead of tenths, so even in Monaco PU makes a noticeable difference. That´s the reason I´m conviced McLaren 2016 chasis is on a different league to 2014 McLaren chasis, it´s so good compared to 2014 it´s compensating the huge difference between PUs

If you say McLaren chasis still sucks, reading it´s as poor as it was in 2014 (again, when compared to best one), then we should assume Mercedes 2014 PU they used was similar to HOnda 2016 PU, and that´s be like saying Honda is almost as competitive as Mercedes. Since we all know this is far from true, the only conclusion is McLaren chassis is certainly much better than it was in 2014. And that´s with a PU wich force them to make chasis compromises because of lack of perfomance and fuel consumption, something in 2014 was not neccessary so current chassis is even better.


I can´t wait to see Honda 2016 mkII PU, if it really is a good step forward to the point they don´t need to do chassis compromises anymore, overall car perfomance should improve a lot

[427cubes]

I don't think that is needed. It is pretty obvious the Honda lump is the worst of the bunch. It's made huge strides over last year, but still down a bit on power over a range of fuel settings.

Once Honda produces a top PU, the car will probably be nipping at Ferrari, fighting with Williams.

Disagree. In 2014, the first year of the current regs Mclaren had the best PU and were nowhere. In monaco the track least affected by the PU, Mclaren were nearly 2 seconds behind pole.

In 2014 with Mercede PU it was 1,5 seconds behind pole. This season with Honda PU it´s been 1,7 seconds.

Do you think Honda 2016 PU is better (relative to best PU) when compared with 2014 Mercedes PU? Obviously no

If we assume Honda PU is way more than 2 tenths slower than Mercedes PU, we must also assume McLaren 2016 chasis is several steps ahead of McLaren 2014 chasis (always relative comparisons with best rival), and that´s the reason with Honda PU they´re only 2 tenths slower than 2014 season, slower PU but better chasis wich almost compensate PU difference

In Monaco PU is not that relevant, but that´s with traditional engines wich were only good for some tenths difference between fastest and slowest, but with current PUs that difference might be measured in seconds instead of tenths, so even in Monaco PU makes a noticeable difference. That´s the reason I´m conviced McLaren 2016 chasis is on a different league to 2014 McLaren chasis, it´s so good compared to 2014 it´s compensating the huge difference between PUs

If you say McLaren chasis still sucks, reading it´s as poor as it was in 2014 (again, when compared to best one), then we should assume Mercedes 2014 PU they used was similar to HOnda 2016 PU, and that´s be like saying Honda is almost as competitive as Mercedes. Since we all know this is far from true, the only conclusion is McLaren chassis is certainly much better than it was in 2014. And that´s with a PU wich force them to make chasis compromises because of lack of perfomance and fuel consumption, something in 2014 was not neccessary so current chassis is even better.


I can´t wait to see Honda 2016 mkII PU, if it really is a good step forward to the point they don´t need to do chassis compromises anymore, overall car perfomance should improve a lot

You seem to be assuming that Mercedes chassis has seen no evolution and they are qucker just because of the evolution on engine from 2014. I am sure Mercedes is a better chassis and it provides signinicant time gains by itself alone. Fact is it is McLaren was not a strong chassis in Monaco while the engine was quite drivable. Honda has possibly progressed more than McLaren this year.

[crazyguru94]

Mclaren Chassis is definitely no great. It's strictly midtable. Probably a step below Toro Rosso.

[fellowhoodlums]

Honda deciding late on which upgrade option(s) to use for Canada.

When do they have to register this with FIA? ie when will we find out how many and on what?

Fri? or before?

[KingHamilton01]

I saw it written that deadline for upgrades was wednesday.

[GoranF1]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 8850489344 GT

In Montreal developments are expected in the engines Mercedes, Ferrari (TC) and Honda (TC + MGUH). Renault engines and Verst and B for Palmer

[427cubes]

ExxonMobil has announced new fuel for Canada with 1% power gain. Two more steps to come this season.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-f ... al-747023/

[Thunder]

Every little bit helps. And if this Fuel is just the Base for even more progress, all the better.

[Andres125sx]

There´re some interesting parts in that interview

It's a new concept, and quite different to what everybody else is doing. It's part of an ongoing programme of development which is now in its third year.
[...]
"The interesting thing about this technology we're putting into the engine spec for Montreal is it's very much an enabling technology.

"The fuel technology has the potential, with changes and evolution of the engine hardware, to extract even more performance.

[KingHamilton01]

Source:- Albert Fabrega

Honda premiere at the #CanadaGP a new turbo q will spend 2 tokens, to improve efficiency. New MGUH but same specs.

[Chicane]

Honda upgrades turbo

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda ... da-751931/

[Far]

So 1% increase is about 5 KW then the 100% for the Honda Ice is about 500 Kw according the Mobil interview. What do you think about that

[makecry]

So 1% increase is about 5 KW then the 100% for the Honda Ice is about 500 Kw according the Mobil interview. What do you think about that

500kw = ~670.5 BHP

With a fully functioning ERS that puts Honda in the range of ~830-831bhp. So I guess still around 100bhp down on Mercedes? God this sucks.

[ME4ME]

"In round numbers, that's around 5kW, or about a tenth of a second, depending on what circuit you are on."

Do note that he isn't saying an exact number. It could be 4, it could be 6 kW, it could be 5.55. It makes a great difference, since it's muliplied by 100.