2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

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Well ExxonMobil states they had a double digit power gain at the first race of the season. This new boost is worth about 7hp. That's close to 20hp so far just this year from fuel improvements. That's pretty impressive to me. ExxonMobil also states that this new fuel will have a multiplied effect when new engine parts are changed.
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Chene_Mostert wrote:
Jef Patat wrote:So, ..., finally some updates on the PU side, new fuel and new turbo:
http://www.motorsport.com/all/article/?id=747023
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda ... da-751931/

Let's hope the reliability doesn't get lost and maybe with some luck a double point finish again.
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Ok, since as of now our only reliable source is Mr Wazari himself I guess we have to wait until the FIA hands out its technical report an Mr Wazari confirms it #-o

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They can increase the boost in the ice unlimited or there is a rule for maximum boost in Psi ?

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Far wrote:They can increase the boost in the ice unlimited or there is a rule for maximum boost in Psi ?
No boost limit, though the fuel flow limit also limits the amount of boost that is practical.
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If these upgrades get both drivers securely into Q3 that would be great.
Finally, everyone knows that Red Bull is a joke and Max Verstappen is overrated.

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Webber2011 wrote:
I've always found it amazing how much goes into squeezing that last bit of performance out of these cars.
I hope that is not "the last bit of performance", they'd be doomed

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dren wrote:Well ExxonMobil states they had a double digit power gain at the first race of the season. This new boost is worth about 7hp. That's close to 20hp so far just this year from fuel improvements. That's pretty impressive to me. ExxonMobil also states that this new fuel will have a multiplied effect when new engine parts are changed.
It's good to see they are making gains in the fuel department and I hope we'll get some rough thermal efficiency figures from Honda at some point. Unless some have already popped up online.

Anyway overall I think Honda are taking a very methodical approach to the PU, solving each problem a step at a time.
Might not look good on a race track at this point in time, but the potential is there for Honda and McLaren to get back to winning ways eventually. 2017 is probably going to see immense amounts of pressure heaped onto both i.e.
Honda needs to deliver a competitive Power Unit and McLaren needs to sort out it's chassis issues and take advantage of the rule changes in the aero and tyres.

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Honda will get their act together before the end of this year. I just have a very strong feeling, McLaren has to deliver on the chassis side as well. It won't be easy as they're already allocating resources for next year's car. I suppose it's an easier decision for them since they're not fighting for the championship. If teams keep pushing this year's development it could very well hurt them next year.
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Webber2011 wrote: I feel we are maybe hijacking and dragging the thread off topic a bit.
Agreed. :D

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Not got much more to say than what Webber2011 has said.

Just respect that "Wazari" does work for HRD and will not talk about development that is happening at present.

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McG wrote:If these upgrades get both drivers securely into Q3 that would be great.
Totally agree and if you are in Q3 then grid penalties/mistakes can help you get nearer that podium

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taperoo2k wrote: Anyway overall I think Honda are taking a very methodical approach to the PU, solving each problem a step at a time.
Might not look good on a race track at this point in time, but the potential is there for Honda and McLaren to get back to winning ways eventually. 2017 is probably going to see immense amounts of pressure heaped onto both i.e.
Honda needs to deliver a competitive Power Unit and McLaren needs to sort out it's chassis issues and take advantage of the rule changes in the aero and tyres.
The pressure is already here. But yes, an "step by step "correction of mistakes should help to develop a new PU withouth the endemic problems of the current one. But time flies and they should already have a clear project of how the new PU for 2017 should be.

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taperoo2k wrote:Anyway overall I think Honda are taking a very methodical approach to the PU, solving each problem a step at a time.
Do they have any other option with the restricted token system?

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Well the good part about all this is the work done on the power unit carries over as opposed to the chassis.
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Vasconia wrote:
taperoo2k wrote: Anyway overall I think Honda are taking a very methodical approach to the PU, solving each problem a step at a time.
Might not look good on a race track at this point in time, but the potential is there for Honda and McLaren to get back to winning ways eventually. 2017 is probably going to see immense amounts of pressure heaped onto both i.e.
Honda needs to deliver a competitive Power Unit and McLaren needs to sort out it's chassis issues and take advantage of the rule changes in the aero and tyres.
The pressure is already here. But yes, an "step by step "correction of mistakes should help to develop a new PU withouth the endemic problems of the current one. But time flies and they should already have a clear project of how the new PU for 2017 should be.
The work being carried out this year, will probably help with the 2017 PU. Honda should by now understand the complexity of this formula, so they should be in a good place to make major changes for 2017. But who knows ? McLaren do seem to be making slow progress on the chassis. The crunch for McLaren will come when Honda provides a competitive PU.
Andres125sx wrote:
taperoo2k wrote:Anyway overall I think Honda are taking a very methodical approach to the PU, solving each problem a step at a time.
Do they have any other option with the restricted token system?
No. But even if they had free reign to redesign the PU for 2016, they'd still have to take a methodical approach to fixing the problems. 2017 should at least see Honda have a Power Unit that's more competitive and reliable.
godlameroso wrote:Well the good part about all this is the work done on the power unit carries over as opposed to the chassis.
Honda have been on a massive learning curve over the last couple of seasons, so you would hope the Honda Engineers will have learned from it and have a better understanding of what they need to do in terms of designing and building a Power Unit that can compete with Mercedes. As for McLaren ? While the aero rules are changing, I suspect the changes that have happened at McLaren at the factory level will carry over and help with chassis design in the long run.