Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[Joseki]

I totally understand why ron does not want honda to be shared with redbull or torro rosso, those 2 chassis are pretty good and if they perform better with a honda engine. honda will probably leave mclaren. we already heard paddie lowe saying both renault and honda are ahead of 2015 ferrari engine from their data, that absoluelty true. mclaren chassis needs to be improve alot to catch up

Honda will probably leave McLaren? yeah based on the history and heritage they have shared and leaving them without winning! they are here for the long term, so based on your opinion of them leaving McLaren it won't happen.

How long do you think the Honda "Works" team would be happy being trounced by RBR and TR with the same engine every week?

Then they should build a better PU. Also they have signed a 10 year deal with McLaren so that's pretty much pure fantasy.

[PlatinumZealot]

So 1% increase is about 5 KW then the 100% for the Honda Ice is about 500 Kw according the Mobil interview. What do you think about that

500kw = ~670.5 BHP

With a fully functioning ERS that puts Honda in the range of ~830-831bhp. So I guess still around 100bhp down on Mercedes? God this sucks.

No. Just. No

Stop right there...

The 1% is just number to throw out to the media. And here you are deep into calcultaion with low quality data.

It could reeeaally be 0.9% rounded up.. which would mean honda has 900hp. Not bad if so.. But my point is the numbers from the media u cannot follow sometimes. Rule of thumb is that engineers tend to give numbers with at least two significant figures.. We were taught to use three minimum actually... So if u see any quotes with only one significant figure. It is highly doubtful you are getting anything accurate only numbers to appease the fans.

[makecry]

So 1% increase is about 5 KW then the 100% for the Honda Ice is about 500 Kw according the Mobil interview. What do you think about that

500kw = ~670.5 BHP

With a fully functioning ERS that puts Honda in the range of ~830-831bhp. So I guess still around 100bhp down on Mercedes? God this sucks.

No. Just. No

Stop right there...

The 1% is just number to throw out to the media. And here you are deep into calcultaion with low quality data.

It could reeeaally be 0.9% rounded up.. which would mean honda has 900hp. Not bad if so.. But my point is the numbers from the media u cannot follow sometimes. Rule of thumb is that engineers tend to give numbers with at least two significant figures.. We were taught to use three minimum actually... So if u see any quotes with only one significant figure. It is highly doubtful you are getting anything accurate only numbers to appease the fans.

Oh I know. But even If we take it literally,then those are the figures. We know Honda doesn't have 900bhp . They are way down. Mid 800s is where they are realistically.

[Postmoe]

So 1% increase is about 5 KW then the 100% for the Honda Ice is about 500 Kw according the Mobil interview. What do you think about that

500kw = ~670.5 BHP

With a fully functioning ERS that puts Honda in the range of ~830-831bhp. So I guess still around 100bhp down on Mercedes? God this sucks.

No. Just. No

Stop right there...

The 1% is just number to throw out to the media. And here you are deep into calcultaion with low quality data.

It could reeeaally be 0.9% rounded up.. which would mean honda has 900hp. Not bad if so.. But my point is the numbers from the media u cannot follow sometimes. Rule of thumb is that engineers tend to give numbers with at least two significant figures.. We were taught to use three minimum actually... So if u see any quotes with only one significant figure. It is highly doubtful you are getting anything accurate only numbers to appease the fans.

So if they give a three figure number it is the reliable information? Damned engineers and their strange inability to lie when specific meteorological and figuretistic conditions are met.

[Andres125sx]

[Logie]

I just expect to see slightly better and more consistent lap times with the new changes.

[PlatinumZealot]

500kw = ~670.5 BHP

With a fully functioning ERS that puts Honda in the range of ~830-831bhp. So I guess still around 100bhp down on Mercedes? God this sucks.

No. Just. No

Stop right there...

The 1% is just number to throw out to the media. And here you are deep into calcultaion with low quality data.

It could reeeaally be 0.9% rounded up.. which would mean honda has 900hp. Not bad if so.. But my point is the numbers from the media u cannot follow sometimes. Rule of thumb is that engineers tend to give numbers with at least two significant figures.. We were taught to use three minimum actually... So if u see any quotes with only one significant figure. It is highly doubtful you are getting anything accurate only numbers to appease the fans.

So if they give a three figure number it is the reliable information? Damned engineers and their strange inability to lie when specific meteorological and figuretistic conditions are met.

Sounds silly but the answer is actually yes! If the say a three figure number there must be a reason why they would give three significant figures. Keyword is significant figures. If you give three significant figures it means you intention is to emphasize the accuracy of your claim. On the other hand If i am promising my boss something and i aint too confident no way in hell am i giving three figures to hold onto.. Im giving him a very rounded number. I aint gonna tell him how much rounding i did though! It is almost like a white lie.... Hasegwawa will be like "I mean, mmnyeah it is 1% if you round it up.. "

[techman]

Then they should build a better PU. Also they have signed a 10 year deal with McLaren so that's pretty much pure fantasy.

i think monaco showed big time how average the mclaren chassis is , it is pretty clear to see, bad pace, luck with rain and others misfortune and fatastic pitstop got them in fine position. but pace wise they were extremely bad nearly a minute behind vettel giving how much boasting Eric did before the monaco gp. compared to sochi in power circuit pace was much better , infront of torro rosso with better pace. shows the chassis is the weak link and there are more drivers now finding fault with mclaren chassis -http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/06/10/ ... ims-merhi/

[Thunder]

Exhaust Manifold from a good Angle. From the Honda Twitter.

[godlameroso]

Why were they pumping oil in there? Hydraulic or oil leak?

[makecry]

Then they should build a better PU. Also they have signed a 10 year deal with McLaren so that's pretty much pure fantasy.

i think monaco showed big time how average the mclaren chassis is , it is pretty clear to see, bad pace, luck with rain and others misfortune and fatastic pitstop got them in fine position. but pace wise they were extremely bad nearly a minute behind vettel giving how much boasting Eric did before the monaco gp. compared to sochi in power circuit pace was much better , infront of torro rosso with better pace. shows the chassis is the weak link and there are more drivers now finding fault with mclaren chassis -http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/06/10/ ... ims-merhi/

You clearly seem to be a troll with one agenda but I will feed you one time.

Today they were at the bottom in terms of top speed, much lower than 2015 Ferrari PU STR and yet the laptimes were a lot better in comparision. So where exactly they are making up for that huge chunk of missing speed on that straight? There is your answer about how "average" the chassis is.

[Sayeman]

Then they should build a better PU. Also they have signed a 10 year deal with McLaren so that's pretty much pure fantasy.

i think monaco showed big time how average the mclaren chassis is , it is pretty clear to see, bad pace, luck with rain and others misfortune and fatastic pitstop got them in fine position. but pace wise they were extremely bad nearly a minute behind vettel giving how much boasting Eric did before the monaco gp. compared to sochi in power circuit pace was much better , infront of torro rosso with better pace. shows the chassis is the weak link and there are more drivers now finding fault with mclaren chassis -http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/06/10/ ... ims-merhi/

You clearly seem to be a troll with one agenda but I will feed you one time.

Today they were at the bottom in terms of top speed, much lower than 2015 Ferrari PU STR and yet the laptimes were a lot better in comparision. So where exactly they are making up for that huge chunk of missing speed on that straight? There is your answer about how "average" the chassis is.

Exactly how was the Mc-Honda "Much lower in terms of top speed" compared to toro-rosso? One of the commentator's mentioned that Jenson was doing 327km/h, same as the Mercs.
Average chassis, average PU.

[techman]

Today they were at the bottom in terms of top speed, much lower than 2015 Ferrari PU STR and yet the laptimes were a lot better in comparision. So where exactly they are making up for that huge chunk of missing speed on that straight? There is your answer about how "average" the chassis is.

i think the answer was given in monaco, the pace of mclaren were horrible, mclaren did an excelllent pitstop that overtook rosber and sainz in the rain effect pitstop mayhem, and we know how hard is to overtake in monaco, however the pace of alonso and button is horrible, almost a minute behind vettel, and we were told by Eric that the chassis is so good that even a podium is possible, what a joke, both complained about chassis problems in practice. it opened everyones eyes, mclarn chassis is not only behind the top 3 but also FI and TR, if not for vertsappen crash, dont expect alonso to have qualified in Q3.
And as far as top speeds, TR is running low wing compared to mclaren, just check Mclaren new wing with a steep wing on either sides and also mclaren is only a few team to run with monkey wings, TR is not running extra draggy monkey wings and so is redbull. TR and Redbull have very good efficient chassis which mclaren need to improve on.

and to your information check FP 1 . Kvyat (2015 Ferrari) quicker than Mercedes (Hamilton) by 7kmh. i guess according to your logic 2015 ferrari is more powerful that mercedes. please talk sense

[makecry]

i think monaco showed big time how average the mclaren chassis is , it is pretty clear to see, bad pace, luck with rain and others misfortune and fatastic pitstop got them in fine position. but pace wise they were extremely bad nearly a minute behind vettel giving how much boasting Eric did before the monaco gp. compared to sochi in power circuit pace was much better , infront of torro rosso with better pace. shows the chassis is the weak link and there are more drivers now finding fault with mclaren chassis -http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/06/10/ ... ims-merhi/

You clearly seem to be a troll with one agenda but I will feed you one time.

Today they were at the bottom in terms of top speed, much lower than 2015 Ferrari PU STR and yet the laptimes were a lot better in comparision. So where exactly they are making up for that huge chunk of missing speed on that straight? There is your answer about how "average" the chassis is.

Exactly how was the Mc-Honda "Much lower in terms of top speed" compared to toro-rosso? One of the commentator's mentioned that Jenson was doing 327km/h, same as the Mercs.
Average chassis, average PU.

At one point in FP1 despite being in top 10 on timesheet their Top speed was all of 318km/h vs 328 of one of the STRs and 338 by Bottas. A HUGE 20km/h difference. Even in FP2 the margin is very low but they are still the lowest at 327,Mercedes did a Look up FP1 again and you will find it somewhere. The majority of deficit here is clearly because of the PU.


In FP2, In S3 STRs are almost 2/10ths up on McLarens. While being ~1.5-2/10ths slower in S1 and 1/10ths slower in S2.

KVY in FP2 had a 338 speed trap while being P14,Sainz 331 while being P10 and Button had 327 while being P7 . Clearly they are making up speed somewhere. Hint : It's not on the straights.

Nico was at 342 at speed traps (not 327 as you implied by saying "same as the mercs").

Both Alonso and Button were faster than Sainz and Kvyat in S1 and S2 but lost time in S3 (just in case you dont know what S3 is, it's that long straight)

While topspeeds are not that representative always, the fact that McLaren is bleeding time in S3 but gaining in S1 and S2 speaks the truth.

See the difference? You are just going by "one of the commentators mentioned", I on the other hand have numbers that prove that they are making up time on twisty bits and losing time on straights vs STRs which prove that Honda is still underpowered compared to the 2015 Ferrari PU. I am kind of amazed people even talk such baloney.

[techman]

TR running low wing, did u see any monkey wings on those TR? They were not running whereas mclaren did that why mclaren are runnning more drag, did you check the new wing which had a steep wing on either sides of mclaren? probably not. If mclaren was so good in twisty section why did mclaren had horrible pace throughtout practice and race in monaco. they should be thankfull for the wet race and fantastic pitstops in monaco,. Mclaren were again good on another power track sochi, where they almost missed out by only 0.2 from outquallifying the fastest redbull in Q3. Honda engine is decent,not the best but chassis is average. Just wait and see if mclaren does any better in hungary, and without top guys crashing out like max in monaco, i highly doubt mclaren will qualify in Q3 in hungary. the car handling is weak, please read the statements of button and alonso in practice in monaco. no point replying to you as your arguments dont make sense at all.

and if you compare work renault f1 team with redbull, you see the redbull usually is faster than the works renault in a straight line. and both run the same engine . not only it is faster it is better in corners. that why redbull has the best aero efficiency in F1 and as you can see redbull in canada is not running any monkey wings, but still get good efficient downforce without comprising straight line speed, mclaren need to work on this area to beat the top teams, hopefully they will get the act together in 2017 and we can see some good competition.