The fastest F1 car of all time?

[Holm86]

Who got some pictures of the Honda that did that 400 km/h record ? especially its sidepods? couldnt find good ones.

Can't really find any good ones with the no-wing spec which I think was the one that set the record. This was the best I could find :


EDIT. Perhaps you can get a better glimpse in this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSkyTHVpArk[/youtube]

[Blackout]

Thank you very much. Was looking for the version which has special bodywork around its sidepods. The video shows it well

[SupieGP]

Sorry for weighing in so late, and I'm not sure if this thread is still open but I've only discovered it yesterday.

For me, the MP4-20 is the zenith, the pinnacle of the breed. What needs to be considered is that, over and above the fact that tyres had to last an entire race, is the compound of those tyres. As we're all aware of, the difference between a soft compound and even a medium compound over a lap (in terms of laptime) is quite marked - now imagine how hard the compound of a tyre made to last 300+kms would be in relation to a supersoft from the 2004 season, which would be used for maybe 10laps, so 45/50kms?

IIRC, even the qualifying tyres were significantly harder than previously since the cars entered parc ferme conditions after qualifying - and they wouldn't use extremely soft tyres considering they wouldn't be able to change set up between qualy and the race.

Considering all of this, I'd say the fact that the 2005 cars (MP4-20 in particular) picked up even one lap record speaks volumes, the fact that they picked up quite a few is what I'm basing this argument on. Combined with that aerodynamic efficiency (1:13.6 for pole in Monaco), was the MB engine that was considered one of the more powerful - I think Autosport (?) magazine speculated that it was producing upward of 950bhp.

What I'd love is for someone to get their hands on a F2004 & MP4-20, put on the best tyres possible, set them up as well as possible, and see what's what. The 20 will break down fairly often, but for all-out pace, I think it's the one.

I really miss those V10's. :'(

[sennaf1god.94]

Just to remind that Bottas today managed 366kmph at a Street Circuit...

Waiting for Monza to see if Montoya's record gets beaten this season...or next!

And also to remind that Lemans Speed Record is owned by a PEUGEOT engine and not Porsche's: 405kmph in 1988.

[rich1701]

The BAR speed test was a marketing stunt and I don't think it was the best chassis or engine to use for such a test.

I would like to have seen the same test on a modified Arrows A21 which favoured straight line speed over downforce with a 2004 BMW v10.

I know it's a car design under different regulations and year but I think the wedge shaped monocoque and nose is more aero efficient.

[Juzh]

Since we've got this topic here:
bottas doing 370 kmh in baku Q3, fastest V6 turbo has gone yet and very close to the outright record:

https://streamable.com/ubwi

Telemetry:
https://streamable.com/5ms9

[Pierce89]

A brilliant example of thread necromancy!

If it was thread necromancy in 2012, what is it now? Picking the bones of a thread skeleton?

[SectorOne]

Since we've got this topic here:
bottas doing 370 kmh in baku Q3, fastest V6 turbo has gone yet and very close to the outright record:

https://streamable.com/ubwi

Telemetry:
https://streamable.com/5ms9

Williams claim Bottas did 378km/h

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/baku- ... er-790412/

[Juzh]

Since we've got this topic here:
bottas doing 370 kmh in baku Q3, fastest V6 turbo has gone yet and very close to the outright record:

https://streamable.com/ubwi

Telemetry:
https://streamable.com/5ms9

Williams claim Bottas did 378km/h

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/baku- ... er-790412/

Some propaganda twitter guy vs onboard telemetry AND fia speed traps? Yep.

edit. Not to mention article itself is incorrect. Fastest previous recorded speed by the fia speed traps for the V6 turbo was in fact pastor maldonado in last year's mexico GP at 366.4 kmh, 0.3 kmh faster than bottas' 366.1 kmh in baku.


So yeah, another gem from the very knowledgeable jurnos (and twitter marketing guys).

edit.2 Also, that 378 kmh is complete fantasy. After the speed trap line there's around 100m left before you have to start braking for T1 from such speeds. Bottas supposedly gained extra 12 kmh to get from 366 at the trap to 378 kmh in 1 second? I think I'll stick with logic and reason here and chose not to believe it.

[ChrisDanger]

378 kmh is complete fantasy. After the speed trap line there's around 100m left before you have to start braking for T1 from such speeds. Bottas supposedly gained extra 12 kmh to get from 366 at the trap to 378 kmh in 1 second? I think I'll stick with logic and reason here and chose not to believe it.

Tweet below was before the race. So the claimed 378 was during qualifying or free practice. I'm not understanding why you're so adamantly refusing to believe this though. Surely the team have very reliable telemetry?
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 4693046272

[Juzh]

378 kmh is complete fantasy. After the speed trap line there's around 100m left before you have to start braking for T1 from such speeds. Bottas supposedly gained extra 12 kmh to get from 366 at the trap to 378 kmh in 1 second? I think I'll stick with logic and reason here and chose not to believe it.

Tweet below was before the race. So the claimed 378 was during qualifying or free practice. I'm not understanding why you're so adamantly refusing to believe this though. Surely the team have very reliable telemetry?

https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 4693046272

It was 100% behind verstappen at the end of Q3. That's when bottas reached the highest FIA measured speed trap. That's also the telemetry video I posted above where highest recorded 370 kmh is from.

Unless we're now doubting the entire FIA timing and measuring systems, I don't see this 378 kmh figure being real any time soon.

[andylaurence]

"Hey guys, the telemetry says we've hit 378kph in Bottas' car!"

"Can't be true - some bloke on the internet says it's wrong. Did you click the forum validation box when calibrating the speed trace? Perhaps you entered Captcha wrong."

12kph in 1 second is hardly astounding acceleration...

[ChrisDanger]

378 kmh is complete fantasy. After the speed trap line there's around 100m left before you have to start braking for T1 from such speeds. Bottas supposedly gained extra 12 kmh to get from 366 at the trap to 378 kmh in 1 second? I think I'll stick with logic and reason here and chose not to believe it.

Tweet below was before the race. So the claimed 378 was during qualifying or free practice. I'm not understanding why you're so adamantly refusing to believe this though. Surely the team have very reliable telemetry?

https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 4693046272

It was 100% behind verstappen at the end of Q3. That's when bottas reached the highest FIA measured speed trap. That's also the telemetry video I posted above where highest recorded 370 kmh is from.

Unless we're now doubting the entire FIA timing and measuring systems, I don't see this 378 kmh figure being real any time soon.

Sorry, I was misled by the race classification data you posted. But yeah, the live timing app is hardly known for its accuracy. I'd still trust the team's telemetry over anything else.

[Juzh]

"Hey guys, the telemetry says we've hit 378kph in Bottas' car!"

"Can't be true - some bloke on the internet says it's wrong. Did you click the forum validation box when calibrating the speed trace? Perhaps you entered Captcha wrong."

12kph in 1 second is hardly astounding acceleration...

As opposed to someone contribution exactly nothing to the discussion.

12 kmh in 1 second at such speed is massive and unrealistic for current cars. Or any version of F1 car yet for that matter. Not to mention he pulled out of slipstream at that point. Pure fiction that williams tweet. I bet if they wrote he went 400 kmh people would still buy into that story, just because they said so.
Mercedes tweeter not too long ago published F1 fuel is 99% percent the same as pump fuel and that you could run F1 cars on it as if it's all the same. In fact current engines would detonate themselves asap if you really tried pump fuel. Just goes to show how much you can trust random PR people who operate social media for teams.

[Juzh]

Tweet below was before the race. So the claimed 378 was during qualifying or free practice. I'm not understanding why you're so adamantly refusing to believe this though. Surely the team have very reliable telemetry?

https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 4693046272

It was 100% behind verstappen at the end of Q3. That's when bottas reached the highest FIA measured speed trap. That's also the telemetry video I posted above where highest recorded 370 kmh is from.

Unless we're now doubting the entire FIA timing and measuring systems, I don't see this 378 kmh figure being real any time soon.

Sorry, I was misled by the race classification data you posted. But yeah, the live timing app is hardly known for its accuracy. I'd still trust the team's telemetry over anything else.

And have you actually seen the telemetry?
As I said, if we're doubting fia measuring equipment for the first time ever, lets to it retroactively as well, and say montoya's 372 was also off the mark and it must have been way over 380 by those standards. Why not reconsider all speed traps ever recorded then?
Nonsense of course.

Williams have shown nothing so far to support this claim and I'm 100% certain if it actually is true FIA or FOM will declare some kind of new record. Until they do (and they 99,9% won't), this is a fairy tale story.