2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Jef Patat]

Print it out, Frame it and hang it on the Wall. Not sure if we see anything like that again this Year....
http://f1.f-e-n.net/images/f1/2016/2016 ... 2I4016.jpg

Is that from last year when everybody was lapping us?

[GoranF1]

Mediocre? How is that when he managed to be only two positions and 3 seconds behind Button despite Button´s P3 grid position and Alonso´s p14?

Then SC came out and McLaren had to do a double pitstop wich obviously harmed Alonso, he dropped two positions again (p9 and p11 before pitstop, p9 and p13 after)

It´s been an unlucky weekend for Alonso, first in qualifying McLaren made a costly mistake in Q2 fitting used tires in his first attempt, and second was ruined by Sainz´s yellow flag wich prevented anyone from improving laptimes. Then in the race he was performing a great recovery until Button´s track position and SC made him drop back again, then the retirement.

I´d say that´s far from a mediocre race, he was doing great but he´s been unlucky the whole weekend

i agree, Fernando's pace was quite good considering ers problems...and Hasegawa confirmed that problem was worse and worse as race progressed.
In low DF circuits like Canada and Austria Button always nails his setup and even whitout Alonso problems i think Button would be hard to beat but next few races Alonso will be a beast.

This is not very congruent with what you wrote on Austrian GP thread

Is Alonso "dead"...has is time passed?

And that´s not your first post on race threads similar to this, I once read a very similar post after qualifying (can´t remember what GP) when he didn´t perform, but later on suday he did an awesome race, and I was tempted to reply, but didn´t.

This time I couldn´t help myself, you look like prepared to bash Alonso as soon as posible on race threads, but then I read this here and can only wonder what do you really think about Alonso and what´s your point posting such a different opinions about him...

I disnt know he had ers problem at the time.....it looked like he just dont feel like driving.....

[Andres125sx]

Even if you thought he had no problems, he made a good race recovering from p14 to p11, then after the double pitstop wich made him drop to p13 again he recovered one more time to p10. What did you see that wrong with him? Fair question, I didn´t know about his problems during the race either, and never tought or asked myself if he´s ´dead´. He did a good race, and once you know he had problems, you realice he actually did a great race, but I can´t really get what did you see to ask if he´s ´dead´, even if you didn´t know about his problems

[dren]

Well Vettel had an exploding Tire so that would have been P7 on Merit Yesterday. But i don't think P7 is realistic Pace wise overall (not specifically isolated to this Weekend). FI and Williams had abysmal Races.

Yeah, that was a bit odd. I think the tires and temperature hurt them; I expected both to be fighting for the last podium spot.

Hell, Manor scored points! Just an odd race weekend for a bunch of teams.

Button had an extra set of the softs, so that helped him a bit, but Mclaren and Honda are making solid progress. It's good to see!

[GoranF1]

Even if you thought he had no problems, he made a good race recovering from p14 to p11, then after the double pitstop wich made him drop to p13 again he recovered one more time to p10. What did you see that wrong with him? Fair question, I didn´t know about his problems during the race either, and never tought or asked myself if he´s ´dead´. He did a good race, and once you know he had problems, you realice he actually did a great race, but I can´t really get what did you see to ask if he´s ´dead´, even if you didn´t know about his problems

I think you think to much and over think things.

[CjC]

A bit o good news!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... or-britain

Especially as I'm going to be there this Sunday

[godlameroso]

This with any chassis upgrades I'm guessing a .4 improvement maybe an extra tenth in qualifying. They should be able to overtake Torro Rosso now. Which also means they should be regularly in q3 now.

[CjC]

Rain anyone?
http://m.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637827/day3

[godlameroso]

Regular ol' British weather, will rain, and it will not, but it will be windy. Button or Alonso podium.

[a1b2i3r45]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/20407

Why aren't McLaren doing the pirelli's 2017 tyre testing? What happened there? Surely there's things to be learned. McLaren is lacking political adroitness too Hopefully this won't be next year's excuses of Monsieur Boulier, " We don't understand/cant turn up the tyres as well as Merc, RB and Ferrari".

[AmateurExpert]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/20407

Why aren't McLaren doing the pirelli's 2017 tyre testing? What happened there? Surely there's things to be learned. McLaren is lacking political adroitness too Hopefully this won't be next year's excuses of Monsieur Boulier, " We don't understand/cant turn up the tyres as well as Merc, RB and Ferrari".

In order for the teams involved to not gain an (or too much ) unfair advantage the testing has to be undertaken using modified 2015 cars. You may have noticed that McLaren's 2015 car had an engine which was somewhat less than reliable, including during tyre tests. The significant changes between the MP4-30 and MP4-31 mean they can't just bolt the current engine into the 2015 car.

[a1b2i3r45]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/20407

Why aren't McLaren doing the pirelli's 2017 tyre testing? What happened there? Surely there's things to be learned. McLaren is lacking political adroitness too Hopefully this won't be next year's excuses of Monsieur Boulier, " We don't understand/cant turn up the tyres as well as Merc, RB and Ferrari".

In order for the teams involved to not gain an (or too much ) unfair advantage the testing has to be undertaken using modified 2015 cars. You may have noticed that McLaren's 2015 car had an engine which was somewhat less than reliable, including during tyre tests. The significant changes between the MP4-30 and MP4-31 mean they can't just bolt the current engine into the 2015 car.

I think data obtained even with the unreliable pu would be better than trying to interpret the data provided by those three teams.

[Vasconia]

This with any chassis upgrades I'm guessing a .4 improvement maybe an extra tenth in qualifying. They should be able to overtake Torro Rosso now. Which also means they should be regularly in q3 now.

TR will be strong on tracks like this one, their chasis is very good and some updates are coming. The battle between FI-McLaren-TR will be hard until the end of the season.

[Vasconia]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/20407

Why aren't McLaren doing the pirelli's 2017 tyre testing? What happened there? Surely there's things to be learned. McLaren is lacking political adroitness too Hopefully this won't be next year's excuses of Monsieur Boulier, " We don't understand/cant turn up the tyres as well as Merc, RB and Ferrari".

In order for the teams involved to not gain an (or too much ) unfair advantage the testing has to be undertaken using modified 2015 cars. You may have noticed that McLaren's 2015 car had an engine which was somewhat less than reliable, including during tyre tests. The significant changes between the MP4-30 and MP4-31 mean they can't just bolt the current engine into the 2015 car.

I think data obtained even with the unreliable pu would be better than trying to interpret the data provided by those three teams.

I agree, to understand the structure and behaving of the tyres even with a bad car is important. It would help them with the design of the new car.

[CjC]

I think teams only have political clout when they are competitive, unless you are Ferrari who have a voice when they are good and bad, especially when they are bad