Aston Martin wants hyper-car to be faster than F1 cars

[SectorOne]

In a high-downforce road car, how do you provide spring rates that can handle the load at speed yet deliver comfort going slower?

“We have an answer, but you’ll have to wait for that one.

Electronic suspension like the Williams F14 maybe?

[SectorOne]

Seems to have some sort of batwing/keel on it´s "belly". (second image)
Notice the light hitting the top side of it. Maybe just there for the lower wishbones?

[SR71]

I'm interested in how much it is actual performance and not just appearance.

I think it's safe to say this isn't the most beautiful Aston ever so it's also safe to say that most of what we see is performance driven.

Functional Beauty is what we are seeing here... I'd say less than 10% styling details are aesthetic driven, mostly the details that keep it in the AM design language family.

The most beautiful Aston Martin ever, the DBR1, was a pure racing car...it was all performance driven.

and if they had the science knowledge we have now it wouldnt look anything like it did... it would look like the AM/RB-001.

So like I said, we have a great example of functional beauty complimented with some styling cues from AM's current design language.

[SR71]

I'm going to guess you've seen the car lap a track quicker than an F1 car, sr71..

I'm just saying it's obvious to anyone with knowledge of product development that this program started before mid-March as you and others have suggested.

But now we've all learned that press releases mean nothing with regards to program timelines. Learning something new is a good thing don't you think?

And you are pointing at a shell of a car stating it a running car.

Pininfarina could knock that car up in 2 months flat.

Never said it was a running car. But like I said, anyone with product development knowledge will know that AM/RB didnt arrive at the mock-up shown in the photos by just throwing some lines down on the drawing board. The surfaces you see probably represent 90% final surfaces and this is the result of EXTENSIVE simulation and wind-tunnel testing. NOT something you can mock up in 2 months. Obvious again, I know...

My guess, like others have said, is that this program is roughtly 1-1.5 years old. We had a hint at the program when the AM/RB rumors started last year in Monza I believe.

You can stick your story that the program started in mid-March 2016, I like your confidence.

[turbof1]

I tend to sort of agree it's not completely a mock up. Well, atleast speaking about what you can see and tell. They wouldn't show this showcar if the final product looked completely different.

I think the biggest proof you find about this, is that the car does not run an ordinary splitter. Rather, it runs a modern front wing (and I do modern). The aforementioned car by Samraj, the Radical SR8 LM runs more classic aerodynamics:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Radic ... SC_011.jpg

Even when talking about concepts or show cars, that's such a different feature and philosophy you surely are not talking about a simple mock up before. I do think Newey atleast pour a certain philosophy into it.

Now, I'm also pretty sure they are not showing everything by a long shot. The underbody for instance will be key here. The underbody on that car does not look to be finished, which is highly understandable since this will be critical aero tech you do not want to give away to the competition as long as not a single car is supplied to a customer.

[DiogoBrand]

In a high-downforce road car, how do you provide spring rates that can handle the load at speed yet deliver comfort going slower?

“We have an answer, but you’ll have to wait for that one.

Electronic suspension like the Williams F14 maybe?

I'm not sure how the FW14 handled bumps, and I guess none of us know how it would handle a public road, but it was able to keep the car at the exact same height despite road irregularities and weight transfer, and more than 20 years has past since then.
McLaren(maybe others as well, but I don't know about them) makes road cars without physical anti-roll bars just by using clever suspension.
So I'm guessing this car will have some state-of-the-art suspension that's able to handle a public road and keep the car at the optimal heights at all times, not to mention featuring several modes.

And for the people that at the beggining of the thread disagreed with me, saying that active suspension wouldn't be a big part of the car, and that it wouldn't have wings, I guess you were wrong. And for the people that said it would feature a big fan at the back... really?!

[turbof1]

I think a big fan would had been illegal for a road car. It's certainly a ground effect car though.

[SR71]

In a high-downforce road car, how do you provide spring rates that can handle the load at speed yet deliver comfort going slower?

“We have an answer, but you’ll have to wait for that one.

Electronic suspension like the Williams F14 maybe?

I'm not sure how the FW14 handled bumps, and I guess none of us know how it would handle a public road, but it was able to keep the car at the exact same height despite road irregularities and weight transfer, and more than 20 years has past since then.
McLaren(maybe others as well, but I don't know about them) makes road cars without physical anti-roll bars just by using clever suspension.
So I'm guessing this car will have some state-of-the-art suspension that's able to handle a public road and keep the car at the optimal heights at all times, not to mention featuring several modes.

And for the people that at the beggining of the thread disagreed with me, saying that active suspension wouldn't be a big part of the car, and that it wouldn't have wings, I guess you were wrong. And for the people that said it would feature a big fan at the back... really?!

The wings are pretty minuscule, I think flow conditioners for the "main wing" ( the underbody ) is a more appropriate term...

But yes, it does have some small wings.

[SR71]

I think a big fan would had been illegal for a road car. It's certainly a ground effect car though.

I thought the fan was a stretch but supported the idea initially because you could deactivate the system for normal road use. This could even be GPS controlled - the feature only working at actual race tracks for instance.

[SR71]

From the press images shown and photos from the reveal this car looks like it's in "road" stance...

Took a shot at what it might look like with the suspension in track mode (similar to P1):

[OO7]

I thought I'd take this opportunity and provide a link to a previous thread about potential road car performance:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 11&t=23640

[djos]

From the press images shown and photos from the reveal this car looks like it's in "road" stance...

Took a shot at what it might look like with the suspension in track mode (similar to P1):

https://postimg.org/image/dwxczhvy9/

It looks amazing!

Ps how nice is it to be right that Adrian Newey road car aero would be light years ahead of those HyperCar's before it!

[OO7]

Aesthetically that is the direction I would have liked to see sports car prototypes take, rather than the visual abominations we currently have.

[Jolle]

Beautiful technical design! Hard to believe with so much air under the bodywork it will fit two fat rich people, a V12 and the cooling system for 1k HP.

Compared to this, a P1 is a versatile city car....

[Powy]