Following the demotion of Ron Dennis as the company's chief, McLaren Technology Group has announced that Zak Brown has accepted the position of Executive Director. The former McLaren F1 driver is set to start work in December.
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On Fuel consumption / driveability there was an interesting Hasegawa quote by muramasa on the Autosport Forum:
btw on Saturday team report Hasegawa was talking about mapping by explaining "struggling to find best pu modes"
http://www.mclaren.c...rix-qualifying/
in post quali joint interview he was explaining it in detail
-We didnt expect that Hockenheim would be power sensitive this much. Drivers were able to push the pedal more than we anticipated/pre-calculated, therefore engines were using rpm range that's different from the expected/pre-calculated range, which as a result has made driveability bad.
http://f1sokuho.mopi...734&tt=-1&at=30
Thunders wrote:On Fuel consumption / driveability there was an interesting Hasegawa quote by muramasa on the Autosport Forum:
btw on Saturday team report Hasegawa was talking about mapping by explaining "struggling to find best pu modes"
http://www.mclaren.c...rix-qualifying/
in post quali joint interview he was explaining it in detail
-We didnt expect that Hockenheim would be power sensitive this much. Drivers were able to push the pedal more than we anticipated/pre-calculated, therefore engines were using rpm range that's different from the expected/pre-calculated range, which as a result has made driveability bad.
http://f1sokuho.mopi...734&tt=-1&at=30
It looks like a great mistake from Honda, isnt it??
Thunders wrote:On Fuel consumption / driveability there was an interesting Hasegawa quote by muramasa on the Autosport Forum:
btw on Saturday team report Hasegawa was talking about mapping by explaining "struggling to find best pu modes"
http://www.mclaren.c...rix-qualifying/
in post quali joint interview he was explaining it in detail
-We didnt expect that Hockenheim would be power sensitive this much. Drivers were able to push the pedal more than we anticipated/pre-calculated, therefore engines were using rpm range that's different from the expected/pre-calculated range, which as a result has made driveability bad.
http://f1sokuho.mopi...734&tt=-1&at=30
It looks like a great mistake from Honda, isnt it??
I think this really shows just how important historical data from a track is.
Don't know if i would call it a great mistake. They had very limited Data from 2014 and it seems like that plus the knowing of the Track Layout wasn't enough to set the PU up 100%. There may have very well been some calculation issues aswell, we don't know. But i think the Root of the Problem is lack of Data.
Thunders wrote:On Fuel consumption / driveability there was an interesting Hasegawa quote by muramasa on the Autosport Forum:
btw on Saturday team report Hasegawa was talking about mapping by explaining "struggling to find best pu modes"
http://www.mclaren.c...rix-qualifying/
in post quali joint interview he was explaining it in detail
-We didnt expect that Hockenheim would be power sensitive this much. Drivers were able to push the pedal more than we anticipated/pre-calculated, therefore engines were using rpm range that's different from the expected/pre-calculated range, which as a result has made driveability bad.
http://f1sokuho.mopi...734&tt=-1&at=30
Does he not mean they had more downforce on the car through developments so the drivers could get on the power earlier and have a higher apex speed?
That's how I understand what the quote says.
If some time ago I wasn't convinced that McLaren's chassis was as good as they made it seem, now I'm changing my mind.
At the start of the season the Toro Rossos were easily ahead, and now McLaren is on the verge of passing them on constructors' standings. Of course STR has a frozen engine, but we see Jenson and Fernando racing the Williams' cars wheel to wheel as well. If it's down to chassis or PU development, I don't know, maybe both, but that's not the point.
The point is: for next season, Honda is probably gonna catch up to Mercedes with the end of the token system, because to me Honda is not less capable of designing an engine than any other manufacturer, and since Ferrari seems to be walking backwards, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to see McLaren as the third best constructor next season, only behind Red Bull, who are probably benefit of the end of the token system as well, and Mercedes, who are definitely not gonna lose all of their competitive edge after the rule changes.
Anything can happen on such a big rule overhaul, Brawn has shown that in 2009, but if I see McLaren finishing third on constructors' next season I won't be too surprised.
Sounds like he signed with Macca, Merc got wind of it and gave him more Money to stay..... So give him even more Money Ron, i'm sure Mr. Serra will change his Opinion again.
Also the People who write McLaren Contracts should up their game. This is literally the same story as with Red Bull's Dan Fallows not too long ago.
CjC wrote:
Does he not mean they had more downforce on the car through developments so the drivers could get on the power earlier and have a higher apex speed?
That's how I understand what the quote says.
That's what I thought too , or perhaps the tyres were switched on better/gripper than expected.
Either way, the engine must have a smaller working range than the others.
DiogoBrand wrote:If some time ago I wasn't convinced that McLaren's chassis was as good as they made it seem, now I'm changing my mind.
At the start of the season the Toro Rossos were easily ahead, and now McLaren is on the verge of passing them on constructors' standings. Of course STR has a frozen engine, but we see Jenson and Fernando racing the Williams' cars wheel to wheel as well. If it's down to chassis or PU development, I don't know, maybe both, but that's not the point.
The point is: for next season, Honda is probably gonna catch up to Mercedes with the end of the token system, because to me Honda is not less capable of designing an engine than any other manufacturer, and since Ferrari seems to be walking backwards, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to see McLaren as the third best constructor next season, only behind Red Bull, who are probably benefit of the end of the token system as well, and Mercedes, who are definitely not gonna lose all of their competitive edge after the rule changes.
Anything can happen on such a big rule overhaul, Brawn has shown that in 2009, but if I see McLaren finishing third on constructors' next season I won't be too surprised.
Definitely BOTH in my mind.
But a really big =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> to Honda as the token rules make improvement the equivalent of Houdini handcuff escape underwater enclosed in glass.
Thunders wrote:Sounds like he signed with Macca, Merc got wind of it and gave him more Money to stay..... So give him even more Money Ron, i'm sure Mr. Serra will change his Opinion again.
Also the People who write McLaren Contracts should up their game. This is literally the same story as with Red Bull's Dan Fallows not too long ago.
From what I can see looking at the numbers. McLaren, in one year, have caught up to merc by 3-5 tenths in qualifying and 6-8 tenths in the race ( race pace helped by fixing deployment) at this rate it would take four years to match them, good thing there changing the rules next year
They've caught Ferrari by maybe one or two tenths more, this shows how good mercs developement is even when they're at the top
Maybe the rate of development is not linear but exponential. Last year was all about laying down a foundation, this year has been about developing that foundation, they will push to the end of the year and see how far they can develop the current concept. For all we know it may work and they make the engine even more compact next year, at the very least it's going to occupy a smaller footprint in the larger cars.
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