Jerez Testing Dec 3-Dec 5

[megz]

Day two results

Circuito Permanente de Jerez - Spain 5 December 2007
Pos. Driver Team Tires Time Laps
1 L. Hamilton McLaren Bridgestone 01:19.371 73
2 D. Coulthard Red Bull Bridgestone 01:19.421 80
3 F. Massa Ferrari Bridgestone 01:19.761 97
4 K. Räikkönen Ferrari Bridgestone 01:19.779 87
5 P. de la Rosa McLaren Bridgestone 01:19.887 62
6 N. Piquet jr. Renault Bridgestone 01:19.982 71
7 C. Klien Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:20.187 86
8 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:20.398 57
9 G. Fisichella Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:20.470 102
10 R. Kubica BMW Bridgestone 01:20.487 118
11 T. Glock Toyota Bridgestone 01:20.523 54
12 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:20.533 75
13 N. Rosberg Williams Bridgestone 01:20.671 66
14 A. Zuber Super Aguri Bridgestone 01:20.897 109
15 M. Webber Red Bull Bridgestone 01:20.944 41
16 N. Hulkenberg Williams Bridgestone 01:21.068 67
17 A. Davidson Super Aguri Bridgestone 01:21.076 74
18 R. Barrichello Honda Bridgestone 01:21.184 103
19 K. Kobayashi Toyota Bridgestone 01:21.699 118
20 N. Heidfeld BMW Bridgestone 01:22.875 93

Probably unclear copy/pasta

so here's the link

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/testresults.php?testID=806

[checkered]

Just what i thought

This begs the

question whether there's any coordination between what is done to the power train, tyres and aerodynamics? It sure doesn't seem that way to me, but almost like "tuning" - fitting wings and whatnot merely as an afterthought. Previously, there at least was a plan that covered all areas, but apparently it has now disintegrated completely into something that makes even less sense overall: An arbitrarily decided downforce reduction, an insufficiently gripping spec control tyre and an engine the performance of which will be unusable, not just enough to enable spectacular mistakes, but half the time there'll be power to spare beyond that level many, many times over. Do we need to be purposefully stupid?

Anyway, the Jerez tests have been the strangest in a long while. Teams testing slicks, teams testing 2009 DF levels, teams testing bits and pieces intended for another car altogether, teams testing with drivers past and teams testing with potential future drivers (not to mention with an occasional rally star). And even the teams who seemingly had a clearly focussed program did hardly any setup work at all since they needed a uniform perspective to evaluate engine maps. Confusion all around then, especially in trying to make sense of the timing sheets.

[mx_tifoso]

The link below shows a picture of Heidfeld´s F1.07 from Wednesdays testing programme, which for him, consisted of ¨testing¨ ´09 aero setups and slicks. It is the front end of the car, and I assume its the ´09 setup on it.

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/91788
Edit: Heres the http://www.motorsport.com version.

[dumrick]

Anyway, the Jerez tests have been the strangest in a long while. Teams testing slicks, teams testing 2009 DF levels, teams testing bits and pieces intended for another car altogether, teams testing with drivers past and teams testing with potential future drivers (not to mention with an occasional rally star). And even the teams who seemingly had a clearly focussed program did hardly any setup work at all since they needed a uniform perspective to evaluate engine maps. Confusion all around then, especially in trying to make sense of the timing sheets.

Teams, whenever we know about it or not, are mostly always (specially in the winter testing time) doing their own thing and focused on particular programs. Furthermore, a good test driver will give the needed feedback and provide logger data without even stretching the car's possibilities to the limit. Bottom line: sense in the timing sheets in testing is always your own creation, like seeing facial expressions in dogs.

[Ogami musashi]

The 2009 aero regs are still much much in discussion.
The FIA website published a video of a conference by Max Mosley during the motorsports forums.

He revealed that while the Engine freeze details were to be decided this friday, the chassis (thus aero) part will be decided for march 08.

The 2009 regs are one of the most radical change for F1.

Most of the conference covers the engine but at the end the aeros are covered and a very true thing is said: The vortex aerodynamics employed now are too complex, team don't really master them so we need to get back to more simple aerodynamics.

But simpler doesn't mean Less..
Or if less then the coeficient of adherence of the tyre has to be higher, but with the tyres here it doesn't seem to be the case.

But anyway we'll have to wait.

One thing for sure, already 09 F1 cars are in primarily development in many teams centers.

[leomax]

Some HQ pics from last day
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07494/deh0705de74.jpg
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07494/dep0705de10.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5158 ... e03zs5.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5157 ... e04dl7.jpg

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/35811/ ... 073_rs.jpg
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/36871/ ... 479_rs.jpg
http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/37794/ ... 061_rs.jpg
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[megz]

DAY 3 Results

1 R. Kubica BMW Bridgestone 01:19.157 87
2 L. Hamilton McLaren Bridgestone 01:19.331 64
3 F. Massa Ferrari Bridgestone 01:19.333 68
4 M. Webber Red Bull Bridgestone 01:19.605 63
5 T. Glock Toyota Bridgestone 01:19.687 40
6 P. de la Rosa McLaren Bridgestone 01:19.787 75
7 N. Piquet jr. Renault Bridgestone 01:19.834 90
8 M. Schumacher Ferrari Bridgestone 01:19.885 67
9 R. Barrichello Honda Bridgestone 01:19.905 89
10 N. Heidfeld BMW Bridgestone 01:20.125 87
11 N. Rosberg Williams Bridgestone 01:20.301 65
12 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:20.339 56
13 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:20.507 55
14 J. Trulli Toyota Bridgestone 01:20.775 99
15 K. Nakajima Williams Bridgestone 01:20.802 39
16 L. Filippi Honda Bridgestone 01:20.915 83
17 D. Coulthard Red Bull Bridgestone 01:21.055 62
18 T. Sato Super Aguri Bridgestone 01:21.093 79
19 V. Liuzzi Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:21.194 76
20 R. Schumacher Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:21.853 71

Now just a moment Ralfy boy. 3rd best? So it Liuzzi second best now? Or equal second best?

And the article states Schumi was running on 2009 Aero and slicks. But I havent found a pic to support this and his times are a shite load quicker than Heidfeld's yesterday...
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/12/ ... -in-jerez/

And what the hell is on the Renault's wheels?

[IMG:600:400]http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m39/ ... enault.jpg[/img]

[mini696]

I believe they measure the attitude of the wheels. Yaw etc.

Others will be more informative.

[mx_tifoso]

MS on slicks, Thursday.

[m3_lover]

are the 09 cars only allowed two planes to the front wing like in Hiedfeld's Car?

[scarbs]

The renault wheel things a Kistler RoaDyns, they measures forces at the wheel (http://www.kistler.com/medias/w3bJ93DMR ... BEd-30.pdf)

The 2009 aero regs are not yet finalised, but they aim to reduce dowforce to Monza levels. This is why we see the teams testing slicks with such skinny wings.

[Ogami musashi]

Yes, the Maximum DF levels drop from 1500+Kg to 1250Kg (Monaco Vs Monza levels).

It is supposed yesterday top times for MS and Piquet were done with 09 levels and slicks, which is hopefully far better than on Wednesday with the horrible 1.22.875 by Nick Heidfeld.

[FLC]

Sebastian Vettel brought Formula One action in 2007 to a close with the fastest time on the final day of testing at Jerez in Spain.

The Scuderia Toro Rosso driver completed 100 laps to set his best time of 1:18.213 with slick tyres and 2008 levels of downforce, to edge out BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica by two tenths of a second.

Although Nico Rosberg, also on slicks, ended up third quickest despite a spectacular engine blow-up in the afternoon, a lot of eyebrows were raised when Michael Schumacher set the fourth quickest time running slick tyres but with 2009 levels of downforce.

A lot of drivers have struggled to get speed out of the estimated 30 percent cut in downforce levels experienced this week but, despite a spin at Turn Two early in the day, Schumacher still managed to set a time less than one second off Vettel's best.

Rust, anyone?

[megz]

I was unable to find a picture to back up the claims about Schumi but If he did it, good on him. And Good on Toro Rosso!

1 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:18.213 100
2 R. Kubica BMW Bridgestone 01:18.410 119
3 N. Rosberg Williams Bridgestone 01:18.796 97
4 M. Schumacher Ferrari Bridgestone 01:19.136 58
5 K. Nakajima Williams Bridgestone 01:19.611 76
6 T. Glock Toyota Bridgestone 01:19.961 58
7 F. Massa Ferrari Bridgestone 01:20.000 45
8 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso Bridgestone 01:20.033 87
9 J. Trulli Toyota Bridgestone 01:20.229 69
10 D. Coulthard Red Bull Bridgestone 01:20.657 72
11 A. Davidson Super Aguri Bridgestone 01:20.821 102
12 T. Sato Super Aguri Bridgestone 01:21.092 84
13 M. Asmer BMW Bridgestone 01:21.333 80
14 G. van der Garde Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:22.321 81
15 Roldan Rodriguez Force India F1 Bridgestone 01:22.508 82

[FLC]

Here's a picture:



The bottom picture is of Massa in Monza for comparison. Wings look identical to me, except maybe for the gap spacer thing.



Another picture from today. Even Schumi raised his eyebrows when he found out about his pace.