Following the demotion of Ron Dennis as the company's chief, McLaren Technology Group has announced that Zak Brown has accepted the position of Executive Director. The former McLaren F1 driver is set to start work in December.
Do you HONESTLY believe the Honda PU is better than the Renault, when Honda themselves have admitted that it's not?mrluke wrote:I'll go one better, ill start a new thread and go through all races this year with rbr vs Manor as an indicator on power vs chassis and see how that sits
Well, usually we fans at least have a clue when drivers talk to teams or vice versa. I think, Ferrari are simply very focussed on improving the car and happy with Raikkonen. I am just a bit knocked off because I absolutely respect and adore Jenson. I can't remember a driver who has changed my opinion in a positive way about himself so much. F1 will be much much more poor without him. There seems to be a serious obsession with age at the moment in our sport.Webber2011 wrote:Maybe they did ?Schuttelberg wrote:
You can sugar quote it as much as you like but fact is that Button is being pushed out. It happened in 2006 as well to another great champion. It's very clear that Button has not lost any speed and if anything a chap like him will be even more motivated considering the McLaren is finally beginning to show a competitive edge. This is all PR and I'm quite appalled that Button won't be racing next year.
Frankly, I can't understand why Ferrari didn't try to lure him ever since 2015.
Knowing Ron Dennis' hatred of Ferrari, this is the perfect way of letting Jenson retire, but keeping any other Team from signing him up.
I think it's very a very clever "f@$k you" to anyone else who was interested in him
So you are saying Jenson was an amazing driver but had no other options in F1? Sounds like Ron did the right thing then! Personally, I think this is the best possible outcome...Schuttelberg wrote:
Well, usually we fans at least have a clue when drivers talk to teams or vice versa. I think, Ferrari are simply very focussed on improving the car and happy with Raikkonen. I am just a bit knocked off because I absolutely respect and adore Jenson. I can't remember a driver who has changed my opinion in a positive way about himself so much. F1 will be much much more poor without him. There seems to be a serious obsession with age at the moment in our sport.
Also, while Ron Dennis is a very clever man I don't think he can dictate terms to Button. Button's just achieved too much for that. In my opinion, Button didn't want to take a "sabbatical" but also doesn't have the energy to go rebuild @ a Renault for example. He's already taken enough pain at McLaren Honda! I never ever believed the Williams story. He's too good for it to just be in F1 because I feel even he feels that Williams simply can't win the title or win races at this present time or in the near future.
The fact that a World Championship winning driver is more willing to risk retirement by taking a sabbatical with a team that had, until recently, barely managed to score points than driving for Williams, speaks volumes of Williams.Schuttelberg wrote:Well, usually we fans at least have a clue when drivers talk to teams or vice versa. I think, Ferrari are simply very focussed on improving the car and happy with Raikkonen. I am just a bit knocked off because I absolutely respect and adore Jenson. I can't remember a driver who has changed my opinion in a positive way about himself so much. F1 will be much much more poor without him. There seems to be a serious obsession with age at the moment in our sport.Webber2011 wrote:Maybe they did ?Schuttelberg wrote:
You can sugar quote it as much as you like but fact is that Button is being pushed out. It happened in 2006 as well to another great champion. It's very clear that Button has not lost any speed and if anything a chap like him will be even more motivated considering the McLaren is finally beginning to show a competitive edge. This is all PR and I'm quite appalled that Button won't be racing next year.
Frankly, I can't understand why Ferrari didn't try to lure him ever since 2015.
Knowing Ron Dennis' hatred of Ferrari, this is the perfect way of letting Jenson retire, but keeping any other Team from signing him up.
I think it's very a very clever "f@$k you" to anyone else who was interested in him
Also, while Ron Dennis is a very clever man I don't think he can dictate terms to Button. Button's just achieved too much for that. In my opinion, Button didn't want to take a "sabbatical" but also doesn't have the energy to go rebuild @ a Renault for example. He's already taken enough pain at McLaren Honda! I never ever believed the Williams story. He's too good for it to just be in F1 because I feel even he feels that Williams simply can't win the title or win races at this present time or in the near future.
amho wrote:I checked the race video & I compared the speed that Hamilton, hulkenberg and Alonso change their gearbox speed to 8th gear, Hamilton and Hulkenberg both shift to 8th gear around 293 km/h(before Eau rough) while Alonso shifts to 8th much later in the end part of kammel & in 314km/h(although they might have shifted gears in different rev but difference is huge), it means that Mclaren have chosen very long gear ratio in 7th gear, it kills acceleration through 7th gear compare to Mercedes and explain their deficiency in speed trap.I agree that Honda engine is weak but choosing such gear ratio makes thing worst.
following pictures are taken from the time that Hamilton was in process of overtaking Alonso and also Ham -hulkenberg battle.
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amho wrote: silverstone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KnfVFQ3f6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsZjr7j2LUE
Mercedes driver changes gear at 7th gear; 285 km/h @11545 rpm.
Alonso changes gear at 7th gear: 313 km/h @12266 rpm.
Honda engine rev at 285 km/h is 11366 rpm (7th gear)
Schuttelberg wrote:
I never ever believed the Williams story. He's too good for it to just be in F1 because I feel even he feels that Williams simply can't win the title or win races at this present time or in the near future.
Agreed.Jolle wrote:With Button being third driver next year, it looks to me like Ron Dennis still doesn't trust Alonso completely and that was also the main reason to keep Jenson on the past two years.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
Yes, new tires. They put on a set SS with one Q lap on them.zeph wrote:Alonso just set the fastest lap at Monza?
can't really blame him. no chance on points anyway, button faster on better tyresbasti313 wrote:Yes, new tires. They put on a set SS with one Q lap on them.zeph wrote:Alonso just set the fastest lap at Monza?
They even lost a place with this stunt.
He did it on Soft tyres not SS.basti313 wrote:Yes, new tires. They put on a set SS with one Q lap on them.zeph wrote:Alonso just set the fastest lap at Monza?
They even lost a place with this stunt.
That Jenson seriously considered a move to Williams. It would have been a switch, just to be in F1, not to win races or championships.diffuser wrote:Schuttelberg wrote:
I never ever believed the Williams story. He's too good for it to just be in F1 because I feel even he feels that Williams simply can't win the title or win races at this present time or in the near future.
What part didn't you believe ? That Williams made an offer to Jenson or that Jenson was considering it?
Alonso did fastest lap on used Super Softs mate. Check your factsa1b2i3r45 wrote:He did it on Soft tyres not SS.basti313 wrote:Yes, new tires. They put on a set SS with one Q lap on them.zeph wrote:Alonso just set the fastest lap at Monza?
They even lost a place with this stunt.
