2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[amho]

I'm disappointed that Button won't drive, he always says that he want to be a front-runner"it’s not just about driving, it’s also about winning" and his retirement means that he doesn't see a good future for Honda engine or Mclaren chassis side, he has access to data and knows about the gap and the future development.he also refused to drive for Williams because they haven't shown a promising performance in spite of having a strong Mercedes engine.

[Andres125sx]

will honda really want to continue paying alonso after this contract ? don't see it , he hasn't exactly put button in the shade in a poor car , has he ; no reason he should in a good one

WDC:

11. Alonso, 30 points
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15. Button, 17 points

Maybe you were used to Alonso whipping the floor with all his previous team mates so this difference does not look that big, but it actually is, 76% more points than his team mate, biggest difference in the grid between teammates with points



About Honda paying or not Alonso salary from 2018, what I can´t see is Honda demanding Alonso as a driver, and paying his salary while they have a poor PU, and when they finally fight for victories stop demanding Alonso to save money. Nosense.

[Vasconia]

I'm disappointed that Button won't drive, he always says that he want to be a front-runner"it’s not just about driving, it’s also about winning" and his retirement means that he doesn't see a good future for Honda engine or Mclaren chassis side, he has access to data and knows about the gap and the future development.he also refused to drive for Williams because they haven't shown a promising performance in spite of having a strong Mercedes engine.

To me it sounds like semi-forced retirement. McLaren wanted to retain his new jewel but at the same offer an elegant way of retiring for Jenson. He will continue to be part of F1 and have a job, so retirement from racing wont be as traumatic as when you leave it completely and ask youself "what the hell am I going to do now?

[Andres125sx]

To me the most reasonable guess is Stoffel got an offer so McLaren was forced to give him a wheel or loose him. Even when he´s scored less points, he´s been pretty strong compared to Fernando when usually Alonso´s team mates are always demolished (Massa was affected by his accident, Kimi was demotivated.... or that´s what people said while they were Alonso´s team mates, to magically perform great again when they got a different mate ).

Button performed very well so I think there must be any other reason, and after Vandoorne scoring first point for McLaren on his first and only race I think we can assume there was some team interested, so he getting an offer to me is the most reasonable guess about Button loosing his wheel, wich I´m 100% sure is forced. What driver would retire voluntarily with new rules, much faster cars, and a good chance to be on top again?


But just my guess obviously

[lebesset]

will honda really want to continue paying alonso after this contract ? don't see it , he hasn't exactly put button in the shade in a poor car , has he ; no reason he should in a good one

WDC:

11. Alonso, 30 points
.
.
.
15. Button, 17 points

Maybe you were used to Alonso whipping the floor with all his previous team mates so this difference does not look that big, but it actually is, 76% more points than his team mate, biggest difference in the grid between teammates with points



About Honda paying or not Alonso salary from 2018, what I can´t see is Honda demanding Alonso as a driver, and paying his salary while they have a poor PU, and when they finally fight for victories stop demanding Alonso to save money. Nosense.

withe the least reliable car on the grid the points are meaningless . it's how the drivers performed when the cars are actually running ; I stand by my statement

[Sonador]

will honda really want to continue paying alonso after this contract ? don't see it , he hasn't exactly put button in the shade in a poor car , has he ; no reason he should in a good one

WDC:

11. Alonso, 30 points
.
.
.
15. Button, 17 points

Maybe you were used to Alonso whipping the floor with all his previous team mates so this difference does not look that big, but it actually is, 76% more points than his team mate, biggest difference in the grid between teammates with points

Points do not tell the complete story.

It the same thing when people say Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 years they were teammates, and because of that Button is a better driver ...

I rate Button between a Rosberg and a Hamilton.
I think it is a great shame if Button retires for real!
But its good that a Stoffel vandoorne gets a chance.

[adrianjordan]

I think Button realised that he wasn't going to be able to get a front-running drive since Ferrari, RBR and Merc all have their line-ups set and Williams aren't looking likely to be fighting for anything more than the lower points next year and I think he also realised that he would like to spend more time doing other things in his life.

[godlameroso]

Are there any reports of McLaren bringing a final upgrade for Singapore?

[the EDGE]

Are there any reports of McLaren bringing a final upgrade for Singapore?

Don't expect to see another Honda upgrade until at least Japan or maybe USA at the earliest, it has to be aligned with their final engine allocation

[godlameroso]

I meant chassis not engine. I read somewhere McLaren was going to introduce the final update to their chassis in Singapore.

[Andres125sx]

will honda really want to continue paying alonso after this contract ? don't see it , he hasn't exactly put button in the shade in a poor car , has he ; no reason he should in a good one

WDC:

11. Alonso, 30 points
.
.
.
15. Button, 17 points

Maybe you were used to Alonso whipping the floor with all his previous team mates so this difference does not look that big, but it actually is, 76% more points than his team mate, biggest difference in the grid between teammates with points

Points do not tell the complete story.

True, you must analyse car problems for each one to see how many races they were able to show their talent. But when you do it, they´re pretty matched.

But don´t get me wrong, I rate Button higher than Massa, Rosberg and even higher than Kimi, who IMHO is overrated and is a WDC only because McLaren and FIA did gift him with a crown while favouring Lewis in 2007. Jenson is the opposite, another single WDC but in this case underrated. IMO of course

[diffuser]

WDC:

11. Alonso, 30 points
.
.
.
15. Button, 17 points

Maybe you were used to Alonso whipping the floor with all his previous team mates so this difference does not look that big, but it actually is, 76% more points than his team mate, biggest difference in the grid between teammates with points

Points do not tell the complete story.

True, you must analyse car problems for each one to see how many races they were able to show their talent. But when you do it, they´re pretty matched.

But don´t get me wrong, I rate Button higher than Massa, Rosberg and even higher than Kimi, who IMHO is overrated and is a WDC only because McLaren and FIA did gift him with a crown while favouring Lewis in 2007. Jenson is the opposite, another single WDC but in this case underrated. IMO of course

I think you can put him ALMOST even with Vettel.

To be Frank, I am a HUGE Alonzo Fan, but have not been overly impressed with his driving this year. I attribute that to Fernado not being very exited when he's outside the top 10. It could be he's lost his edge. I don't know.... he could come in next year with a Very Good McHonda and leave Vandoorne 100 points in his wake.

[Alonso Fan]

Well I dont think he's lost his edge just yet. He hates the current cars though and that could be a demotivating factor which is showing sometimes in his driving. I must say though, he has done some stunning races like hungary and spa

[daren_p]

Are there any reports of McLaren bringing a final upgrade for Singapore?

Don't expect to see another Honda upgrade until at least Japan or maybe USA at the earliest, it has to be aligned with their final engine allocation

Have heard rumours of the last Honda upgrade in either the US or Malaysia, don't think they'll want to take the penalties in one of their "home" races that's not the easiest to pass at. Malaysia would be ideal if they can get it ready in time, no GP2 engine for the Honda home GP

Well I dont think he's lost his edge just yet. He hates the current cars though and that could be a demotivating factor which is showing sometimes in his driving. I must say though, he has done some stunning races like hungary and spa

From what I've seen this year, don't think he's lost his edge but he loses some of his motivation if he's outside of scoring points. If he's in the points, the drive still appears to be there.

Edit: Don't recall where I heard/read it but there was talk of an aero upgrade in Singapore to match the PU upgrade from Spa, but probably won't know for sure till closer to the GP or when the pics start coming out.

[Tauri_J]

Are there any reports of McLaren bringing a final upgrade for Singapore?

new front wing