Mclaren Confess!

[megz]

A sour tast would indicate an acid of sorts.

[Rob W]

Rob, can you please post that...

- Perhaps Max just said to them: bloody hell I should quit asap...

He must have missed the email I sent to max@FIA.com

R

[modbaraban]

He must have missed the email I sent to max@FIA.com

You must have missed the email address update: madmax@FIA.com

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I think I shud quickly clarify something. I do not condone spying in F1, I do not tbhink its fair of Mclaren to steal information from Rival teams. However I do think that as it happenes in F1, and the FIA seem not to really care too much (otherwise they'd do something about it on a championship wide scale) i see no reason why Mclaren should be treated by the FIA in the way they have.

Its like diving in football. I hate it, but they all bloody do it, its gotten to the point that players are diving because if they don't they are letting the other teams have an advantage that they do not.

Basically I wont be happy until an official penalty is imposed. I.e there will be a rule whereby: If a team is found guilty of spying they will be fined "x" amount.

Untill then the FIA can pick and choose who they fine & by how much, based upon how grumpy they are feeling that day (tounge in cheek joke....not a serious comment, pls dont get mad). It will benifit the FIA also because there will be a yardstick to measure punishment by, and there will be no grounds for "The FIA are letting Renault off, but punishing Mclaren because they want to hinder Mclaren...It's a conspiracy!"

Everybody wins. Untill that happens though the FIA are bound to have THEIR integrity challenged by people like Martin Brundle...and rightly so!

[jddh1]

so where are the Ferrari haters saying that Ferrari was being favored?

[Ciro Pabón]

so where are the Ferrari haters saying that Ferrari was being favored?

I have a farfetched theory: because they hate Ferrari!

On the other hand, Ferrari lovers think they were favored because... they won the WCC championship out of the track.

Me thinks (me, who don't hate Ferrari nor love it, but quite the contrary ) F1 lost.

[DaveKillens]

I guess there are "fans" out there who adapt the fanatical aspect too readily. I have cheered many different drivers and teams, to me none are above criticism, or respect. I don't believe in total, unreserved, polarized fandom, when you become that kind of person you have lost your independance, identity, and ability to make rational decisions.
On years gone by, I have even cheered for Michael Schumacher. Now, I am happy he is retired. Does that make me a Ferrari lover or hater? Neither, I just try to see things for what they really are, without accepting and believing the massive amounts of public relations and propaganda crap pouring out of every team.

[ben_watkins]

Me thinks ..... F1 lost.

Never a truer word said imho

[checkered]

I don't believe in total, unreserved, polarized fandom, when you become that kind of person you have lost your independance, identity, and ability to make rational decisions.

=D>

I've put it

roughly in this way a long time ago: "Only a fool wants fools for fans - but it takes an even bigger fool to take fans for fools." Some of the worst tragedies happen in circumstances where social acceptance requires suspending the use of reason, be it wholly or to a degree. Formula One, for all the superlatives and pinnaclism, is hardly immune to this.

[ben_watkins]

Exactly - look at football. people regularly loose their lives over it.. why? because they are desperate to belong to something, even if it means loosing their life over it..

[jddh1]

I'm not a blind follower, but I do like Ferrari a lot. I don't agree with some of the decisions they made, but I'm sure there were people inside the team itself that also did not agree with their decisions.
However, at the same time, they won championships, and everyone must show respect for what they have achieved, just like I respect the non-Ferrari teams that have won championships, their history, the people behind them and so on. It's not easy to win in F1.

[donskar]

I do like the statement from Montezemolo (in Autosport):

"Reacting to questions about the McLaren guarantees not to develop parts that could have come from Ferrari intellectual property, di Montezemolo said: 'Yes, I'm convinced that at least the colours will be different. I don't expect a red McLaren. It's better if we talk about something else.'"

[enkidu]

Does anyone know what 3 technologies mclaren had to stop developing to pass their car for next year????

[modbaraban]

Does anyone know what 3 technologies mclaren had to stop developing to pass their car for next year????

1. Double brake cylinder with spring - a passive system that changes the brake ballance while braking without being controlled by the driver.

2. Tyre gas (don't remember)

3. don't remember

Am I at least close?

[FLC]

I don't think the self-moratorium includes the brake balance system, at least it is not mentioned as such on McLaren's letter, which namely includes:

1. Quick shift
2. Fast fill
3. CO2 as tire gas

Nevertheless, regarding the brake balance system, "detailed examination of the report shows that one area where McLaren had appeared to utilise the Ferrari information was in the creation of a new brake balance system" (Quote is from autosport, see the link below).

The WMSC transcripts also show that McLaren went back to using such a system (they used it in the nineties, if I remember correctly and had to repackage it), although technically different, after they had some idea about how it works from Coughlan through Stepney. McLaren, on the other hand, claims that they had information on how the system works by other means, such as analyzing onboard videos, photographs and so on.

You can read more about this here: FIA: McLaren planned to use Ferrari data