Silly Season 2016/2017

[FrukostScones]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 69931.html (feel free to use transltr)

Bottas want to Renault but only for one year not two.
If Williams lets him go (and his 5 Mio $).

So again, STROLL/NASR at Williams? hahhahaha

[Manoah2u]

Wehrlein - Stroll, with a discount on engines thanks to planting Werhlein there.
Nasr to Force India seems more probable.

If Nasr gets at Williams we might see a williams with a yellow side pod, how about that! I don't see that happening though.

It really would be interesting if it really happened.
Hulkenberg & Bottas at Renault, I can actually see that combo working. Not championship material, but absolutely what Renault needs. An infinite improvement over
Magnussen and Palmer.

Williams : Wehrlein - Stroll [ that would actually make an exciting lineup ]
Force India : Perez - Nasr [ force india can use Nasr money ]
Renault : Bottas - Hulkenberg [ this would definately work ]

leaves only 2 losers: Manor and Sauber.

I assume Ocon is set to stay at Manor, but who to replace Wehrlein with? Palmer?

Manor : Ocon - Palmer
Sauber : Ericsson - ?????? Losing Nasr money would hit them right in the hurts!

[Manoah2u]

I can't imagine that Carlos Slim pays 30 million dollars for those tiny Telcel logos on the mirror of the Haas.
I think they pay maximum 5 million dollars... Correct me if I am wrong.

Not saying that you are wrong but remember that Ericssons backers have ponied up around $20-25 million a year without asking for any space on the car up until this season.

Edit: and his main backers still aren't visible.

I used 30 million as an example, never did i say it was an actual real world figure. Exegaration to drive the point home.
Even if it's 5 million, the question is, would a different driver than Esteban make it worth the change? Similarly, I don't know how aimed Gene Haas is with his CNC tools to expand into Mexico. I dont' think he does, but if using a mexican gains him apart from 5 million Slim money also 5 million in CNC equipment in Mexico, then it's worth the deal, rather than NO 5 million dollars from Slim and 'slim' chance to sell his CNC stuff were he to hire i dunno, Haryanto for laughs.

it's an example intended at trying to use team reasoning on using the services of a certain driver, whether that's through actualy competitiveness or through being a canal for money flow.

[FrukostScones]

Wehrlein in the Williams would be nice!

C'mon Claire, get this sweet boy.

[Sniffit]

I can't imagine that Carlos Slim pays 30 million dollars for those tiny Telcel logos on the mirror of the Haas.
I think they pay maximum 5 million dollars... Correct me if I am wrong.

Not saying that you are wrong but remember that Ericssons backers have ponied up around $20-25 million a year without asking for any space on the car up until this season.

Edit: and his main backers still aren't visible.

I used 30 million as an example, never did i say it was an actual real world figure. Exegaration to drive the point home.
Even if it's 5 million, the question is, would a different driver than Esteban make it worth the change? Similarly, I don't know how aimed Gene Haas is with his CNC tools to expand into Mexico. I dont' think he does, but if using a mexican gains him apart from 5 million Slim money also 5 million in CNC equipment in Mexico, then it's worth the deal, rather than NO 5 million dollars from Slim and 'slim' chance to sell his CNC stuff were he to hire i dunno, Haryanto for laughs.

it's an example intended at trying to use team reasoning on using the services of a certain driver, whether that's through actualy competitiveness or through being a canal for money flow.

I understand the Point you were trying to make. I just wanted to point out that there are examples of sponsors throwing huge piles of money at teams to get "their" driver in a seat and nothing else, so to value a sponsors comitment by the size of the logos or other such metrics are bound to be error prone.

As far as the view on how to value sponsorship and the loss of such, I completely agree.

[Manoah2u]

It did surprise me more than once to miss out big sponsor logo's on the cars of exactly those 'sponsors' responsible for which driver is in which seat. it might have more to do with actual sponsorship position value, but i'm not at all an expert there. a sponsor on the front wing end plate surely will have to pay less than for example a huge sponsor logo on the sidepod or engine cover. perhaps they would get a spot on the cover if they lapped up 45 million, and will not go 'above' a spot like the rear wing end plate if they don't pay 'above' 5 million.
The driver itself however is an 'ambassador' for the brand, so everytime the driver is on tv, magazine, whatever, he is linked to the company, so the drivers are 'worth' the exposure - like a company representative. Send him to some PR events where you need him, and have him talk about how TelMex through Carlos Slim made this possible for him and how thankfull he is for this opportunity and for this brilliant enterprise, and ca-ching, worth it. Spend 5 million - an example - on a team to put Esteban in there and some tiny spots on the car, then make 10 million from it by sending him off to PR events and get brand recognition everytime his face or car is on tv - crashes also cause airtime - and somebody sees that brand and thats' how selling works.

[edu2703]

If Nasr gets at Williams we might see a williams with a yellow side pod, how about that! I don't see that happening though

Don't worry mate! This will not happen. When Nasr was Williams test driver, they just add a small name ''Banco do Brasil'' on the rear of the car, as you can see below:

[edu2703]

MY THOUGHTS

1) Force India guys are lucky. They will have three options of good drivers to choose from: Pascal Werhlein, Esteban Ocon and Felipe Nasr.

In this case, what matters most for Force India is the financial benefit they would have if they hired any of these three. They would have to calculate how much they would save with discounted price in the engines, if they hire Wehrlein or Ocon, and see if this value is less than €15 million, which is money from the sponsorship of Felipe Nasr.

Because if that were the case, it would be more advantageous for Force India hire Felipe.

2)Talking specifically about Felipe Nasr: I saw the in Autosport last month that said Nasr is the driver with better chances of getting a seat at Manor if Werhlein or Ocon leave.

And in my opinion it's where he should go if he can't get a seat in Haas, Force India or Williams. Next year, Sauber will use 2015 Ferrari engines. So I believe that will be the worst team in 2017. Nasr need to get out of Sauber immediately. Staying there would be enormous waste of talent and an early end of career for him.

Manor is a better choice than Sauber. Next year, Mercedes will be more involved in the team project to turn it into a 'Mercedes B' team like Red Bull and Toro Rosso. I predict a great improvement of performance of their car in 2017.

Assuming Magnussen will stay at Renault, Bottas will stay in Williams, Kvyat will stay at Toro Rosso and Gutierrez will stay in Haas, the only competitors for a seat in Manor will be Palmer and Haryanto. Good for Nasr who has more money and more talent than the two together (in my opinion).

3) I want to know from you, guys! Who would you prefer to be teammate of Nico Hulkenberg at Renault: Bottas, Magnussen or Ocon?

[ChrisDanger]

3) I want to know from you, guys! Who would you prefer to be teammate of Nico Hulkenberg at Renault: Bottas, Magnussen or Ocon?

Ocon was tipped to go to Renault earlier in the season, but I'm now unsure if they would take a rookie. But perhaps they'd like a Frenchman in the team for the long haul. Paired with Hulkenberg it might be a good balance of experience and fresh talent.

[ChrisDanger]

Autosport are reporting Hulkenberg to Renault is a done deal.

Nico Hulkenberg agrees F1 deal with Renault for 2017 season

It is understood Hulkenberg has signed a two-year contract to cover the 2017 and '18 seasons, with an option to extend the deal into a third season in '19.

Sauce.

[ChrisDanger]

This looks very much like confirmation from Hulkenberg.

Click image to go to Instagram.

[Manoah2u]

that is above hilarious. what a boss to put that on instagram.

cool, very interesting turn of events. Now let's see Bottas go to Renault and they'll have a very good pair to work for them.
Bottas or Nasr seems to me the most logical choice here.

[FrukostScones]

Rumors of Hülkenberg to Renault intensifying...

If only a 'exclusive' rumor published by a non-trusted source (Autobild) is enough to create a hype, well ok...

Sorry to spoil your illusions, but he will stay at Force India. Of that I'm 100% sure. Especially after what happened to Perez.

and...http://www.planetf1.com/news/hulkenberg ... rce-india/

what else are you 100% sure of. Rosberg WDC?

[GM7]

Mercedes : Rosberg / Hamilton
Red Bull : Ricciardo / Verstappen
Ferrari : Vettel / Raikkonen
Mclaren : Alonso / Vandoorne
Renault : Hulkenberg / Ocon
Toro Rosso : Sainz / Gasly
Haas : Grosjean / Magnussen
Williams : Bottas / Stroll
Force India : Perez / Wehrlein
Sauber : Ericsson / Nasr / Giovinazzi
Manor : Palmer / Haryanto / Rossi

[matt21]

It is official:

Hulk is leavin Force India

http://www.forceindiaf1.com/nico-hulken ... orce-india