F1T: The Formula One Car of Tomorrow

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Ciro Pabón
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I see a thread suggesting it's time for Max Mosley to retire. It cannot be denied that F1 is getting closer to a generational change. Anyway, this can change the approach to car regulations a little, so I dare to dream, as resolutions for a new year approach and a new cycle begins...

So, how do you imagine the F1 Car as formulated in, let's say 2015? I think of this kind of "driver helps" that can hardly be defined as such:

LCD screen or HDU display: Am I the only one that find a little obsolete the arrays of flashing lights along the top of the steering wheel? Big red numbers on a black screen?

Perhaps some soul, more used to computer screens will have some kind of idea about new ways for the display of information on the cockpit. HUD comes to the mind.

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After all, you could think of the hybrid power plant status, the speed, the rpm, the Gs and the other info relevant, nothing different from what you already have seen on the screen of your TV when they show you the telemetry, but on the visor of the helmet.

I bet, eyes closed, that one day this will be much more cheaper than the current array of mechanical display gadgets on the dashboard. I see this kind of display as ideally suited for some Taiwanese and Chinese electronic companies to make at a dollar a piece, so I imagine that in the future no car will have anything else for display, btw.

Don't you agree it's feasible and maybe logical? Where is the ergonomy in the modern F1 cockpit, or am I missing something? I have to confess here that my mind is confused at the mere sight of an F1 wheel...

I suppose I'm too "computerized" or maybe I don't get it by my genes or something, but the word that comes to my mind when I see an F1 steering wheel as a display device is "quaint". And before someone else says it, as an input device, for me, it is an exercise in confusion at 300 kph.

Little knobs with little arrows that point to little numbers printed on top of the wheel? :D C'mon! That's really the best they can do for car control? How many tenths of a second does that kind of interface takes from you during a single lap?

How about something similar to a mouse? I mean, just one input device, more intelligent, I'm not talking about using a mouse literally, but more on the lines of a glass cockpit concept.

Another idea that comes to my mind is that this is another technology that could be introduced in the name of safety in F1: it's easy to think of a system that avoids the blurring of the display that you get when you have a flat-spotted tyre or even when you move in a cockpit at high vibration levels, normal in racing. Nothing different from what I already have on a regular video camera for image stabilization.

Finally, taking this idea to the extreme, given better and better resolution and higher computing power, it's easy to predict that one day, it will be better to "see the world" through a screen than directly through the visor... mmmmm... could THAT be patentable? The BTR helmet? (Better Than Reality :))

And, how cool will be a helmet in 2050? Images of Star Wars helmets come to my mind: the eyes of Darth Vader helmet and the full face-covered helmet of Boba Fett. ;)

A pilot helmet in 3008, with indirect vision... the rocket and the gun come handy when fighting for position :)
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Notice the little camera on top of Mr. Fett's helmet: it's easy to think of getting rid of the rearview mirrors (that definitely ought take some tenths of a second from a lap because of less drag) and project the image of the rearview camera on the HUD.

It's also easy to imagine the little camera actually following actively the car behind you, not merely fixed at an angle to the driver as today.

Just think about the blurred, vibrating image you get in a flimsily (and insecurely fixed to the chassis) rearview mirror of today. Given the rear view mirror size, and with a proper camera you could get less weight. Maybe you could use the current "regulation" cameras and build the rear image from it, using a different lens that covers 360 degrees: the software necessary for image "extraction" from the regulation cameras weights nothing.

Active driving technology: Yes, yes, I know, that's a no-no, this clearly is a driver help, but I ask two things about this:

a. How about a "safe-mode" active driving? I mean, some sort of switch you can "throw-in" for safety reasons, to avoid crashing so hard into a wall? I'm talking of a driver help as some kind of last resort safety device.

Even if this is probably not more than one of my weird ideas, I think it is relatively cheap and could be a contribution to safety that maybe only the F1 world can implement.

I don't know how much you can achieve from the safety side in the few tenths of a second before a crash, but I'm sure that a computer can do marvels in that time and can easily infer when a car is going to crash into a wall at an oval or a race track.

Shutting off the fuel valves? Flooding the fuel tank with flame retardant foam? Stiffening the seat belt and the HANS? Kicking in TC (and everything available under the sun of illegal driver helps) for the driver to use in a last second chance? Maybe turning the car sideways or steering it somehow to diminish the speed? Warning other cars of the impending danger ahead? I don't know, you name it, there are a lot of possibilities when you think of active safety measures, active in the sense of, I repeat, before the crash. Besides, it would be extremely cool. :)

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea from the civil engineer standpoint, for which I frequently speak: this could bring new life to old tracks, and diminish the requirements for safety areas of today, if well implemented.

Finally, I suggest another crazy idea: TC could be "switched on" by a computer, when a crash is imminent, or by the marshalls when conditions require it, either because the cars are under yellow flags (which brought several crashes last year) or because it's too wet too fast (which also brought some other crashes).

b. How much of passive rear steering has already built in an F1 car?

I think most modern cars use some passive rear steering, that is, the rear wheels steer slightly through arrangements in the suspension linkages, more at low speeds, giving you a stiffer rear steering at high speeds.

Actually, when you don't use that kind of mechanisms, in suspensions of yore, the rear wheels tend to steer opposite (they twist a little outside when you turn in), which is undesirable: you get the "snake effect" typical of motorhomes. In few words: you have understeer by design, through a slight, "automatic" steering of the rear wheels.

I wonder if I'm the only one that find amazing the turning abilities of a modern car (I mean, less than 15 years old :)), specially when compared to a kart...

Anyway, how much is too much in an F1 car, under regulations? That's a question I'm asking. How much could you tighten the curves at Monaco if you steer more than slightly the rear wheels? It is a practical idea? How much it is used already?

Drive by wire (DBW :)): It has become a technology that offers weight savings. After all, you already have a lot of computing AND networking power on board.

Why ask for old style mechanical linkages, when you already have on board (on the ECU) auditing systems and programs to avoid other kinds of cheating? I'm thinking here about the birth of the "electronic marshall".

It should be straightforward to "link" directly the foot of the driver to the electronic actuator on the engine, using some "FIA provided algorithm", without cheats by the teams, for the purists of "no driver helps".

Anyway, taken to the extreme, you could dare to predict a day when networked wireless sensors and actuators replace all cables in a car and a central computer conveys the information to and from the driver in a well-thought manner, so, why not take the initiative? :)

Well, I don't know what other ideas you have about a F1T, some kind of equivalent to COT for NASCAR. Do you have any?

As this is probably my last post of the year, a happy 2008 for all of you. Sorry for the weirdo ideas and the lengthy post, blame it on the rum. :)
Ciro

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I´m all go for HUD displays and rearview cameras instead of mirrors :D
http://www.gizmag.com/go/2430/ if they can make this a bit smaller (and more aero-efficient) and able to show more then one color, there you have it 8)

I don´t know about drive-by-wire though, if there is no linkage between the steering wheel and the wheels you don´t "feel" the road :roll:

2050, 40 years is a lot of time man, and by then we´ll have nanotechnology able to do miracles... cars that can go from wing (corner) to arrow (straightline) in a metter of miliseconds...

just my view of it...

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We have a Professor (Uni-Windsor)working on a real time accident avoidance system for road cars. Take an ordinary production car, add sensors and computer. The system over rides the driver whenever a problem is detected. Five years away, claims it will add about 500USD to a car. Tech could be adapted to future F1

Drive by Wire. A good video game wheel pedal set costs about 200USD. A Playstation 2 currently costs 130USD. Sounds like a drive by wire system for 330USD,add in some sensors. Tech could be added to road cars or future F1.


Yes - a simplification.

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Even seven or eight

years is a stretch as far as my crystal ball is concerned. Economic and social structures, not actual resources and capabilities in themselves, are currently the greatest hindrances standing in the way of possible applications. Yup, the current F1 steering wheels are pretty ridiculous as it is – but then again, as far as computing interfaces go, “we’ve seen nothing yet” anyway. In the time frame you’re suggesting, I’d go for an augmented reality 3D helmet display, eye track technology, simplistic voice/thought control and a tactile VR outfit interface. Stabilised cameras/radars as a means of “extrasensory perception” will be a given.

I’d have the helmet display a 3D tactical representation of the range of projected physically possible driving maneuvers and other “anticipatory information”, not in numerical data but in some elemental graphical representations seamlessly merging with “reality”. Eye track could be employed both to access “higher functions” and enable instantaneous instinctive man/machine feedback loops. Voice is ideally suited for functions requiring verbal thought formulation, something that can happen parallel to other processes of the un/conscious racing. A VR outfit can relay grip, suspension and engine data via touch (pressure, movement, heat, etc.) to different parts of the body as well as enable completely virtual controls – the same setup can accommodate an infinite number of personal preferences. Whatever “suits” you best, coming that much closer to realising that old adage of man and machine becoming one.

The engines and the drivetrains are about 75% efficient, in total. The petrochemical industry is in the process of being transformed into supplying advanced hydrocarbon materials and not fuels, 2nd and 3rd generation zero carbon “bio”fuels and electric vehicles having already gained critical mass and benefiting from extensive tax cuts. The Middle East will be completely integrated in the shift so as to not put undue socioeconomical pressure on that part of the World. The F1 engine will not be an ICE as we know it anymore, but the on board chemical potential energy will be converted by oxidation still. Hydraulics and/or electrical components will be central in the transmission, but the applications will still lack finesse and economy when it comes to simplifying two way energy cycles. A more elegant integration is being engineered with the advent of truly exotic “smart” materials, the very concept of “engine” being rethought vis-a-vis the complete energy cycle.

Suspensions will be more fully integrated with body structures, employing technologies such as passive variable thixotropic shocks and piezoelectrically controlled “artificial muscle” damping, forming a much greater percentage of material in the actual chassis than today. Traditional composites will start to give way to new applications such as nanoengineered “Q-Flo” type fibers, perhaps “created to form” in special 3D printers. Aero regulations have hopefully evolved slightly beyond empty formalism, too, defined more by angles, surfaces and volumes than some irrelevant preconceptions of what constitutes a “wing”. Cheaper? Perhaps, perhaps not, but hopefully more purposeful, efficient … and fun.

Against all odds, F1 will face stiff competition from a reunified ChampCar/IRL after 2011, many new technologically savvy and economically sound racing organisations coming of age in the US and Canada. The concept is quickly exported to Asia and former Eastern Europe as well and a competing open wheel “World Series” is born on top of regional ones. Attracting top driver talent for F1 is not a foregone conclusion anymore. The same goes for engineering talent. The web will have taken over from TV as the medium of choice, fans will get used to very interactive content, riding “virtual shotgun” with their favourites, driving very realistic VR cars themselves, using very sophisticated analysis tools or perhaps “V-Jaying” their own broadcast with their circle of friends in real time, “battling” adversaries while they’re at it.

There will be all sorts of open source or user generated content/applications and systems in place to distribute proceeds with contributors. The change could start with the rival series, an outside operator offering such services, the teams or even F1 management itself. It’s not about timing, it’s about who gets there first. The winner will be hard to topple from the top of the heap for some time to come.

Oh well. I’ve downed a couple of glasses of California white at this stage. A meek first impression as far as tastes go, but dry enough for my pallet. Nothing sufficiently strong to clear my sinuses. That’s just as wild as things are going to get for me in seeing off 2007 and welcoming 2008. May you all have a good one.

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Edit: So as not to leave people thinking I'm just whistling Dixie ...

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Joint Strike Fighter helmet

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Magnetic contact lenses for highly accurate eye tracking

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Tactavest, a prototype body haptic interface

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Neurosky, a prototype brainwave game controller

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Emotiv Epoc, a prototype brainwave game controller
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I think part of the reason we see the little LED lights instead of LCD screens is that LEDs show up a bit better in daylight than current (or at least, normal) LCD tech. Maybe some OLED type of display in conjuction with the glass cockpit? However, I think the trend might be better suited to automatic car adjustment. Have the car automatically adjust the brake balance, etc, with driver override of course.

The problem with any "last ditch" automated crash avoidance system I see is maybe the car and driver fighting each other. That, and false positives that the system might detect. It would have to be an extremely well developed, and would have to be EXTREMELY smart. Of course, there's probably no better place to develop this tech than in F1.

As for tech involved in terms of drivers aids, I'm actually all for TC. I watch F1 partially because of the technology. Or, maybe mostly because of it. I actually don't think cars should be difficult to drive. The car should be tailor made to best allow the driver to navigate the track. If this means TC, active suspension, left/right braking of the inside tires (like the McLaren briefly had, so be it. Problem with this naturally is I would expect to see even more parade like racing. The top cars will generally move to the front, and since drivers have less of a hand in the driving, it becomes almost solely a constructors championship.

What I want to see more of is an open formula. Give the designers the ability to really think of something radically different. I didn't really start following the sport until I was about 9, in 1990 or so, and even then coverage here in the US made it difficult (especially for a young boy) to truly understand and follow the sport. However, it seems to me, in the past it might be easier for lesser funded teams to gain an edge by thinking of something new, rather than today where they're spending gobs of money on aero development to make minimal gains. Also, while I still really enjoy watching F1 cars evolve, I'd like to see more revolutions in car design. With such a closed formula as we have today, it's only natural all the teams' cars will evolve along a similar path.

Finally, what I REALLY want to see is this attempt to slow the cars stop. I'd like to see more emphasis on car and track safety, instead of limiting speeds. Problem now is, this generally means more runoff area, which removes the fans even further from the track. Someone on another forum suggesting grandstands that overhang certain parts of the track to bring the fans closer, but also increase run off. This has it's own problems as well, since now you have a 3rd dimension to worry about in terms of impact (the ceiling).

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I guess a HUD display could quite easily be installed within the driver's helmet. The only question I'd have about that would be the weight factor.

Around circuits such as Turkey & Interlargos would the added weight of the HUD system cause any problems with regards to driver comfort/stamina etc?

Also inboard brakes, I've only just thought of this, there must be a reason we are currently running outboard brakes, but why is that? I mean surely inboard brakes would reduce the unsprung weight of the car? And is there a way that this advantage could be exploited without the problems that (im guessing) inboard brakes have?
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Spencifer_Murphy wrote:Also inboard brakes, I've only just thought of this, there must be a reason we are currently running outboard brakes, but why is that? I mean surely inboard brakes would reduce the unsprung weight of the car? And is there a way that this advantage could be exploited without the problems that (im guessing) inboard brakes have?

During practice for the 1970 Italian Grand Prix in Monza, near Milan, Chapman and Rindt agreed to follow the lead of Jackie Stewart (Tyrrell) and Denny Hulme (McLaren) and run without wings in an attempt to reduce drag and gain a higher top speed. The more powerful Ferraris had been up to 10 mph faster than the Lotus at the previous race in Austria. Rindt's team mate John Miles was unhappy with the wingless setup in Friday practice, reporting that the car 'wouldn't run straight'. Rindt reported no such problems, and Chapman recalled that Rindt reported the car to be 'almost 800 rpm faster on the straight' without wings.

On the following day, Rindt ran with higher gear ratios fitted to his car to take advantage of the reduced drag, increasing the cars' potential top speed to 205 mph.[4] On Rindt's fifth lap of the final practice session, Hulme, who was following, reported that under braking for the Parabolica corner: 'Jochen's car weaved slightly and then swerved sharp left into the crash barrier.' A joint in the crash barrier parted, the suspension dug in under the barrier and the car hit a stanchion head on. The front end of the car was destroyed. Although Rindt was rushed to hospital, he was pronounced dead. Rindt had only recently acquiesced to wearing a simple lap belt, and had slid underneath where the belt buckle cut his throat. He was the second Lotus team leader to be killed in two years, as Jim Clark had been killed in 1968. An Italian court later found that the accident was initiated by a failure of the car's right front brakeshaft, but that Rindt's death was caused by poorly installed crash barriers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Rindt
The Lotus had been one of the first to engineer in front mounted inboard brakes, but in Rindt's case, their failure was a factor in his death.
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Double post ... removed

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Aaaah, I see. Thanks for the info Davekillens. I iknew that Rindt's death was due to brake faliure of some sort but I had no idea that it was some kind of fault or rather a weakness in the design of inboard brakes.

That said, with today's composite materials could inboard brakes be a feasible possibility once again?
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