Silly Season 2016/2017

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Manoah2u wrote:-Newey getting free hand to develop the next Ferrari flagship (LaFerrari successor)....
-Full control of F1 car design and development picking his own staff, and a workable budget....
-A hundred million EUR each friggin year. That's half a billion in 5 years time.
-Ferrari private jet available for travel, including Maranello - UK residence (air) travel.
-A WCC and a WDC thanks to Newey equals lifetime Italian honorary member.
-Free pizza. Free pasta.
Sumerized your points, hope you don't mind. Some quick comments:

No "next Ferrari" will be freely designed by anyone. There are tremendous requirements regarding design, feel and heritage.

Newey already build a complete technical team from the ground up at Red Bull. He can work as much or as little as he desires. Also there are very little financial bounderies stopping him from doing his work.

Free air travel .. thats still worse than his current situation. Its not like he doesn't travel enough already.

Italian honor. Probably true. Not sure how much Newey cares.

OMG free food! Now we're talking 8)

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So Lance Stroll qualifies for his superlicence today. I guess now we wait till Thursday for confirmation from Grove.

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ChrisDanger wrote:So Lance Stroll qualifies for his superlicence today. I guess now we wait till Thursday for confirmation from Grove.
It should be a little ... weird make an announcement to announce what everyone already knows for some time.

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There are some rumors saying Jolyon Palmer is in talks with Sauber.

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A very enlightening interview with Sainz today on UK Sky f1, he said he turned down a multi year contract with Renault for another year at Torro Rosso with an expectation that Red Bull will see him right at the end of next year, he would like promotion to Red Bull but realizes that may not happen. With a new engine deal for TR next year he will be able to show off his skill with a view to securing one of the many seats that are rumoured to be available for 2018.
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I've got an uncomfortable feeling that Carlos will regret that decision. Renault will win again and he had the opportunity to be the golden boy spear heading the revival. Whereas the red bull deal relies on other people's movement and staying favour for 2 more years.
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Carlos intimated that his contract is for only one more year
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edu2703 wrote:There are some rumors saying Jolyon Palmer is in talks with Sauber.
That would make sense.
Nasr to FI and Ericsson to Renault 8)
Not very likely but Ericsson has performed better than Nasr IMO but still it is Nasr who gets the better seat, if he ends up at Force India and Ericson stays with Sauber. Actually I hope Nasr moves to another team so the Brasilian press can see themselves that Sauber isn't manipulating Nasrs car, he's just that slow.
Most of all I really want Sauber to get their sh*t together and make some progress, they are in such a hole right now and there's nothing that suggests any improvement.

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nokivasara wrote: Actually I hope Nasr moves to another team so the Brasilian press can see themselves that Sauber isn't manipulating Nasrs car, he's just that slow.
Seeing his results last year when Sauber had a car more or less competitive,he can prove that it was true, showing good results in Force India, which is more likely. :wink:
nokivasara wrote: Most of all I really want Sauber to get their sh*t together and make some progress, they are in such a hole right now and there's nothing that suggests any improvement.
Running with 1-year-old engines, there is a big risk of Sauber be the worst team next year

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I believe Felipe Nasr is naturally much better than Marcus Ericsson. If they drive identical cars, I'd bet all my money that Nasr would finish ahead of Ericsson with a considerable gap between them, if none of them had problems with the car.

Last year, of all the races where Ericsson finished ahead of Nasr, all of them was only because Nasr had problems with his car, especially with the brakes.

This year, I can not understand why there is a big difference between the performances of Nasr and Ericsson. Earlier this year, Nasr used a broken chassis, which explains the difference in results between them in the first seven races this season.

My question is about the results of the last two races. As I said, I believe Nasr is naturally much better than Ericsson. I refuse to believe the recent results has the only explanation the fact of Ericsson be better than Nasr.

What happened especially in Austin was very strange. Nasr drove very well in the free practices, but in the qualifying session, he had a bad result. Even Nasr found it strange what happened.

I hope he goes to Force India next year. He will have a golden opportunity to show his talent and skills, and we can evaluate with better accuracy if he is a good, bad or average driver. Will show which of us evaluates his performance correctly.

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edu2703 wrote:I believe Felipe Nasr is naturally much better than Marcus Ericsson. If they drive identical cars, I'd bet all my money that Nasr would finish ahead of Ericsson with a considerable gap between them, if none of them had problems with the car.

Last year, of all the races where Ericsson finished ahead of Nasr, all of them was only because Nasr had problems with his car, especially with the brakes.

This year, I can not understand why there is a big difference between the performances of Nasr and Ericsson. Earlier this year, Nasr used a broken chassis, which explains the difference in results between them in the first seven races this season.
I don't intend to start an argument but maybe for the same reason Nasr was better last season? It happens? Car is bad.
- I don't think broken chassis was confirmed by the team, AFAIR they changed it but that's not a proof.

About Force India. After rumours linking drivers with them Fernley quickly said that: A. they don't need a pay driver and B. Mallya will make the decision later. It means nothing of course, they said they didn't know anything about Hulkenberg and 2 days later he was gone :) . Might as well be negotiations tactic.

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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/magnu ... 17-844811/

Magnussen could go to Haas, in which case who drives the second Renault?

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Sevach wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/magnu ... 17-844811/

Magnussen could go to Haas, in which case who drives the second Renault?
Wehrlein or Ocon.
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edu2703 wrote:I believe Felipe Nasr is naturally much better than Marcus Ericsson. If they drive identical cars, I'd bet all my money that Nasr would finish ahead of Ericsson with a considerable gap between them, if none of them had problems with the car.

Last year, of all the races where Ericsson finished ahead of Nasr, all of them was only because Nasr had problems with his car, especially with the brakes.

This year, I can not understand why there is a big difference between the performances of Nasr and Ericsson. Earlier this year, Nasr used a broken chassis, which explains the difference in results between them in the first seven races this season.

My question is about the results of the last two races. As I said, I believe Nasr is naturally much better than Ericsson. I refuse to believe the recent results has the only explanation the fact of Ericsson be better than Nasr.

What happened especially in Austin was very strange. Nasr drove very well in the free practices, but in the qualifying session, he had a bad result. Even Nasr found it strange what happened.
Actually the team said that there wasn't anything wrong with his chassi and even gave it to Ericsson who used it for a race or two without any issues.

As far as driving identical cars, they are this weekend. Nasr have used the exact same set-up as Ericsson and still he was out performed by Ericsson in all the sessions this weekend, which is all the more remarkable since Ericsson used an older iteration of the Ferrari engine then Nasr during the Friday.

I really don't understand the Nasr hype, I think he has proven himself to be pretty mediocre.

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Sniffit wrote:
edu2703 wrote:I believe Felipe Nasr is naturally much better than Marcus Ericsson. If they drive identical cars, I'd bet all my money that Nasr would finish ahead of Ericsson with a considerable gap between them, if none of them had problems with the car.

Last year, of all the races where Ericsson finished ahead of Nasr, all of them was only because Nasr had problems with his car, especially with the brakes.

This year, I can not understand why there is a big difference between the performances of Nasr and Ericsson. Earlier this year, Nasr used a broken chassis, which explains the difference in results between them in the first seven races this season.

My question is about the results of the last two races. As I said, I believe Nasr is naturally much better than Ericsson. I refuse to believe the recent results has the only explanation the fact of Ericsson be better than Nasr.

What happened especially in Austin was very strange. Nasr drove very well in the free practices, but in the qualifying session, he had a bad result. Even Nasr found it strange what happened.
Actually the team said that there wasn't anything wrong with his chassi and even gave it to Ericsson who used it for a race or two without any issues.

As far as driving identical cars, they are this weekend. Nasr have used the exact same set-up as Ericsson and still he was out performed by Ericsson in all the sessions this weekend, which is all the more remarkable since Ericsson used an older iteration of the Ferrari engine then Nasr during the Friday.

I really don't understand the Nasr hype, I think he has proven himself to be pretty mediocre.
I think with Nasr you see the same kind of thing as with Kvyat and in a lesser extent with Vettel. If current drivers feel confident and "in tune" with the team and car there is very little between them, the difference between team mates would be general within a tenth to two. The moment they are put out of their sweet spot, they loose time, more then their abilities would suggest.

I think in general you can say that there is more speed difference between the different cars then between the drivers, so it shouldn't accurately wouldn't make much difference who you would put in your car....