2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Manoah2u]

actually, that is the reason ron got dumped.

[adrianjordan]

Daily Mail up to their usual low standard of journalism.

Absolutely baseless claim that Jost Capito could go after Ron's departure. Their entire argument is based on the fact that he was a recent hiring and that makes him vulnerable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ennis.html

[mclaren111]

Daily Mail up to their usual low standard of journalism.

Absolutely baseless claim that Jost Capito could go after Ron's departure. Their entire argument is based on the fact that he was a recent hiring and that makes him vulnerable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ennis.html

Agree. Getting tired of these "stupid" journalists !!

[Alonso Fan]

Agreed, I think the Honda is now broadly in line with the Renault. It's not quite as good as Mercedes or Ferrari, but it would be good enough to let RBR challenge for podiums..

Renault have made it clear that Ferrari is half way between them and Mercedes, and that Honda is still a way off them

[PlatinumZealot]

Ron will do anything to stay "BOSS" at McLaren. There is already news of Chinese Investors making a hostile bid to have a controlling stake in McLaren.
http://www.china.org.cn/sports/2016-11/ ... 732493.htm

Well Ron promised to buy out the rest shares many years ago and the other shareholders said Ok if you can can find the money and good buyers no problem we will sell.... But Ron took too long he couldn't find any buyers that Ojjeh and mumtalakat liked. The team is suffering and ron is in denial and all this mess so they got tired of it and finaly ousted him from the executive position. Basically he got fired from his job and he is reduced to only a shareholder now.

[mrluke]

Agreed, I think the Honda is now broadly in line with the Renault. It's not quite as good as Mercedes or Ferrari, but it would be good enough to let RBR challenge for podiums..

Renault have made it clear that Ferrari is half way between them and Mercedes, and that Honda is still a way off them

Of course they have, why would they want to admit that even Honda is now matching them?

Do Renault want to do anything to suggest to RBR that Honda would be a better option, considering that Honda are clearly interested in supporting an additional team (once Ron stops blocking it!).

Although the evidence from one race in and of itself is not conclusive Brazil gave a pretty clear insight into the relative performance differences between the teams http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 49#p663649

[diffuser]

Daily Mail up to their usual low standard of journalism.

Absolutely baseless claim that Jost Capito could go after Ron's departure. Their entire argument is based on the fact that he was a recent hiring and that makes him vulnerable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ennis.html

Sure he has a really nice parachute is he does!!!

[diffuser]

Agreed, I think the Honda is now broadly in line with the Renault. It's not quite as good as Mercedes or Ferrari, but it would be good enough to let RBR challenge for podiums..

Renault have made it clear that Ferrari is half way between them and Mercedes, and that Honda is still a way off them

Of course they have, why would they want to admit that even Honda is now matching them?

Do Renault want to do anything to suggest to RBR that Honda would be a better option, considering that Honda are clearly interested in supporting an additional team (once Ron stops blocking it!).

Although the evidence from one race in and of itself is not conclusive Brazil gave a pretty clear insight into the relative performance differences between the teams http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 49#p663649

Hard to read cause of all the colours but we if look at the top speed of Q3 ...looks like McHonda split the 2 STRs

[Alonso Fan]

Agreed, I think the Honda is now broadly in line with the Renault. It's not quite as good as Mercedes or Ferrari, but it would be good enough to let RBR challenge for podiums..

Renault have made it clear that Ferrari is half way between them and Mercedes, and that Honda is still a way off them

Of course they have, why would they want to admit that even Honda is now matching them?

Do Renault want to do anything to suggest to RBR that Honda would be a better option, considering that Honda are clearly interested in supporting an additional team (once Ron stops blocking it!).

Although the evidence from one race in and of itself is not conclusive Brazil gave a pretty clear insight into the relative performance differences between the teams http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 49#p663649

You also have to note that toro Rossi's chassis is said to be designed for peak downforce regardless of drag and it is said that McLaren's chassis is efficient and this produces less drag, aiding straight line speed.

Also different teams run different downforce levels and so its very very hard to come to a certain conclusion about engine power because the engine is sat within an immensely complex chassis which in and of itself is hard as hell to compare against other teams. Especially when a team is solidly in the points one race and battling with the manors the next race

The other thing I'd like to add is that a wet race generally levels engine performance. So truing to gain conclusions' about engine performance from a wet race is pretty much impossible. Wet races are usually. Good indicator of how the chassis' rank. And we saw that McLaren and STR were pretty handy along with the usual RBR Merc and Ferrari etc

[Jolle]

The Apple-McLaren talks were kinda true, they had talks but no bid:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/11/ ... d-was-made

[ClarkBT11]

Renault have made it clear that Ferrari is half way between them and Mercedes, and that Honda is still a way off them

Of course they have, why would they want to admit that even Honda is now matching them?

Do Renault want to do anything to suggest to RBR that Honda would be a better option, considering that Honda are clearly interested in supporting an additional team (once Ron stops blocking it!).

Although the evidence from one race in and of itself is not conclusive Brazil gave a pretty clear insight into the relative performance differences between the teams http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 49#p663649

You also have to note that toro Rossi's chassis is said to be designed for peak downforce regardless of drag and it is said that McLaren's chassis is efficient and this produces less drag, aiding straight line speed.

Also different teams run different downforce levels and so its very very hard to come to a certain conclusion about engine power because the engine is sat within an immensely complex chassis which in and of itself is hard as hell to compare against other teams. Especially when a team is solidly in the points one race and battling with the manors the next race

The other thing I'd like to add is that a wet race generally levels engine performance. So truing to gain conclusions' about engine performance from a wet race is pretty much impossible. Wet races are usually. Good indicator of how the chassis' rank. And we saw that McLaren and STR were pretty handy along with the usual RBR Merc and Ferrari etc

The conclusion on the engine performance was gained from the dry qualifying not from the wet race.

[mrluke]

You also have to note that toro Rossi's chassis is said to be designed for peak downforce regardless of drag and it is said that McLaren's chassis is efficient and this produces less drag, aiding straight line speed.

Also different teams run different downforce levels and so its very very hard to come to a certain conclusion about engine power because the engine is sat within an immensely complex chassis which in and of itself is hard as hell to compare against other teams. Especially when a team is solidly in the points one race and battling with the manors the next race

The other thing I'd like to add is that a wet race generally levels engine performance. So truing to gain conclusions' about engine performance from a wet race is pretty much impossible. Wet races are usually. Good indicator of how the chassis' rank. And we saw that McLaren and STR were pretty handy along with the usual RBR Merc and Ferrari etc

The conclusion on the engine performance was gained from the dry qualifying not from the wet race.

Yeah I don't think he actually read it.

If anything the Mclaren is designed for peak downforce, that's why they find the car so hard to setup.

I'm not sure why Mclaren fans think their team is unique in wanting to balance downforce against drag, this is the challenge facing all teams, so far Mercedes and rbr are the best at it.

Hard to read cause of all the colours but we if look at the top speed of Q3 ...looks like McHonda split the 2 STRs

Yup, also less than 1kmh slower than RBR. But I think S3 is distorted as discussed on the other thread

[nevill3]

Yeah I don't think he actually read it.

If anything the Mclaren is designed for peak downforce, that's why they find the car so hard to setup.

I'm not sure why Mclaren fans think their team is unique in wanting to balance downforce against drag, this is the challenge facing all teams, so far Mercedes and rbr are the best at it.

Hard to read cause of all the colours but we if look at the top speed of Q3 ...looks like McHonda split the 2 STRs

Yup, also less than 1kmh slower than RBR. But I think S3 is distorted as discussed on the other thread [/quote]

I thought that McLaren had abandoned their peak downforce philosophy and now favour creating consistent downforce that is more stable and less prone to "breaking down/separation issues". This was the major change in direction brought in by PP once he was able to design the car from its inception.

source=http://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/mcla ... tory.shtml

[mrluke]

Because Mclaren have attempted to move away from their peaky car, does not mean that all of the other teams still have one. Mclaren's decision to move away from such a peaky car was well overdue but unfortunately this meant they have struggled to catch up with other teams that have been following this philosophy for much longer.

Simply think back to how many seasons has the Mclaren been noticeably stiffer than any of the other cars? Locking an inside wheel under braking has been a Mclaren "thing" for the last 5 seasons? Maybe more?

[Alonso Fan]

Because Mclaren have attempted to move away from their peaky car, does not mean that all of the other teams still have one. Mclaren's decision to move away from such a peaky car was well overdue but unfortunately this meant they have struggled to catch up with other teams that have been following this philosophy for much longer.

Simply think back to how many seasons has the Mclaren been noticeably stiffer than any of the other cars? Locking an inside wheel under braking has been a Mclaren "thing" for the last 5 seasons? Maybe more?

So first you said that the car is designed for peak downforce. Now you agree they've moved away from that philosophy. Make up your mind

And you we're partially correct. I did read it but evidently I missed the part when he said that he was comparing quali times

Anyhow, most parts of my post still stand