Silly Season 2016/2017

[edu2703]

but we all It would be 'weird' though to no longer have a Brazilian in F1 since what? It goes back to long before Senna I'd say, since Piquet was in F1 already before Senna, aswell as Fittipaldi.

The last season without a Brazilian driver on the grid was in 1969.

[RicME85]

Would be madness for Fitzpatrick to of gambled 2017 on Manor staying ahead of Sauber. The guy is a shrewd business man, he will have his ducks in a row for next year at least.

[ChrisDanger]

Would be madness for Fitzpatrick to of gambled 2017 on Manor staying ahead of Sauber. The guy is a shrewd business man, he will have his ducks in a row for next year at least.

I agree. All this talk of Manor not being on the grid next year seems like utter tripe to me.

[Manoah2u]

It might be a game to keep pushing on the issue of how prize money is shared. I do believe Manor is in trouble. If there wasn't a big rule-change next year (format) then
I don't think it would have done so much damage, but in this case, i do think it'll have a hefty impact.

Nevertheless, even though i disgust the Sauber team to the core by now - Kaltenborn is an absolute disease to the team. I can't stand her nor what has happened to the team.
All I see is lies, lies, lies and infinite hypocrisy. I can't stand they lucked themselves into that finish in Brazil, but the fact is, they DID do it, and manor DIDNT.

It cost them dearly.

With Ocon out, and to be honest, Wehrlein probably will be left out in next year's field by the looks of it - though the discount on the engine thanks to the Merc connection might
keep him safe - the big question will be who are going to fill those seats.

It must be somebody able to slam enough sponsorship money on the table. With Guiterrez PROBABLY going to Sauber [perfect fit of talentless douchb*gs], I can't think of anybody
that is going to 'save' the team with money. Maldonado's pockets are dry. Apart from him, i can't think of anybody carrying enough money to do with.

There MIGHT be a small opportunity for Gasly to get a RedBull sponsored drive in Manor, like Ricciardo had in HRT years ago. The other option would be Sergey Sirotkin.
Question is, how much of a discount will Mercedes hand to Manor for parking Wehrlein there? And then, I have a feeling Merc will not accept a RedBull driver alongside.
So the big question would be; Would Sirotkin and Gasly bring enough money to the table to 'save' Manor?

I have a possibility in the back of the mind, though, but the issue there is it may come at a huge sacrifice: Honda.

If they accept a deal with Honda, then they might get Free Honda engines, AND get that Japanese Honda driver with the package. The latter probably isn't the biggest benefit,
but a deal with Honda could be interesting. The Mercedes engine has done them good, very good, but in the end, they still got beat by a deadbeat sauber carrying an older Ferrari
engine if i'm correct - meaning in the end, that Merc engine has done them nothing, and neither did Wehrlein get them any further.

Getting Honda aboard with a free engine deal, and a Honda driver carrying help, knowledge and feedback from both Honda and Mclaren, with the opportunity to put in a 2nd driver
in the likes of Sirotkin or perhaps Gasly, would be interesting. Who knows how much of a step forwards the Honda engine makes next year? I also doubt it would be a task too big to
fit that Honda engine in the Manor chassis.

So, how about this then:

Sauber - Ferrari
Esteban Guitterrez
Marcus Ericsson

Manor - Honda

Nobuharu Matsushita
Sergey Sirotkin

[ChrisDanger]

Jordan King is in the Manor for FP1 at Abu Dhabi. What are the chances he could get a race seat for next season? He's currently Manor's "development driver", but has only been in one other FP1 this year.

[edu2703]

Jordan King is in the Manor for FP1 at Abu Dhabi. What are the chances he could get a race seat for next season? He's currently Manor's "development driver", but has only been in one other FP1 this year.

Jordan King does not have enough superlicense points to debut in F1.

[PlatinumZealot]

It might be a game to keep pushing on the issue of how prize money is shared. I do believe Manor is in trouble. If there wasn't a big rule-change next year (format) then
I don't think it would have done so much damage, but in this case, i do think it'll have a hefty impact.

Nevertheless, even though i disgust the Sauber team to the core by now - Kaltenborn is an absolute disease to the team. I can't stand her nor what has happened to the team.
All I see is lies, lies, lies and infinite hypocrisy. I can't stand they lucked themselves into that finish in Brazil, but the fact is, they DID do it, and manor DIDNT.

I think your views are unfounded though. I don't hear Peter Sauber complaining so to me she is doing a good job.

[edu2703]

I think your views are unfounded though. I don't hear Peter Sauber complaining so to me she is doing a good job.

Good job? Since when do you follow F1? Since Monisha became team leader, Peter Sauber is a 'nobody' on the team.

Monisha's administration has been rated by F1 journalists as 'bad', marked by the 'Drivegate' scandal in 2015, when it was discovered that Monisha has signed with four drivers for two seats. (Nasr, Ericsson, Bianchi and Van de Garde). Giedo filed a lawsuit against Sauber in Melborne to secure a seat on the team.

Not only that. Monisha has already made bad decisions, as to use 2016 engines next season. Now very close to making another bad decision: Hire Esteban Gutierrez.

I don't understand: If Sauber was sold, why they still want a paydriver?

Gutierrez has NO talent, NO charisma and NO ONE wants him in F1. Hiring him is literally destroying the team's image and having another bad season.

[FW17]

I think you are reading too much into what the media wrote, most of it was nationalist and misogyny.

Yes 2 additional drivers were signed but what ever was brought by these drivers were trumped by the newly signed drivers. This was done with approval of the majority share holder, against whom nothing negative has been written.

If anyone is to be blamed for sauber's current state, then it will be designers of the 2013 car and POS Ferrari engine of 2014.

[Sniffit]

Sauber have just announced that Marcus Ericsson have been signed for 2017, so now we are down to three seats left.

[ChrisDanger]

Sauber have just announced that Marcus Ericsson have been signed for 2017, so now we are down to three seats left.

It's always good to quote a source...
https://twitter.com/SauberF1Team/status ... 2157757440

[Sniffit]

Sauber have just announced that Marcus Ericsson have been signed for 2017, so now we are down to three seats left.

It's always good to quote a source...

https://twitter.com/SauberF1Team/status ... 2157757440

Are you claiming that my charm and winning smile isn't enough for you?

[Manoah2u]

It might be a game to keep pushing on the issue of how prize money is shared. I do believe Manor is in trouble. If there wasn't a big rule-change next year (format) then
I don't think it would have done so much damage, but in this case, i do think it'll have a hefty impact.

Nevertheless, even though i disgust the Sauber team to the core by now - Kaltenborn is an absolute disease to the team. I can't stand her nor what has happened to the team.
All I see is lies, lies, lies and infinite hypocrisy. I can't stand they lucked themselves into that finish in Brazil, but the fact is, they DID do it, and manor DIDNT.

I think your views are unfounded though. I don't hear Peter Sauber complaining so to me she is doing a good job.

You're entitled to an opinion. Even if it's wrong.

Good job? Since when do you follow F1? Since Monisha became team leader, Peter Sauber is a 'nobody' on the team.

Monisha's administration has been rated by F1 journalists as 'bad', marked by the 'Drivegate' scandal in 2015, when it was discovered that Monisha has signed with four drivers for two seats. (Nasr, Ericsson, Bianchi and Van de Garde). Giedo filed a lawsuit against Sauber in Melborne to secure a seat on the team.

Not only that. Monisha has already made bad decisions, as to use 2016 engines next season. Now very close to making another bad decision: Hire Esteban Gutierrez.

I don't understand: If Sauber was sold, why they still want a paydriver?

Gutierrez has NO talent, NO charisma and NO ONE wants him in F1. Hiring him is literally destroying the team's image and having another bad season.

a little remark on driver-gate in 2015:

Kaltenborn, a trained lawyer....upon asked whether she was still competent to run the team, Kaltenborn replied: 'I don't see it (the case) having any effect.

Pressed on whether she had considered resigning, Kaltenborn added: 'I've not considered that.

LOL!

Well, her somehow maintaining her position doesn't mean there is no after-effect.

'This whole matter does not have any effect on the way we work, the way the team works.'

Kaltenborn conceded, however, the past week had affected morale with the team's name dragged through the courts.

'It's had a very negative impact on the team because the situation was, for a while, unclear,' added Kaltenborn.

The legal argument resulted in Sauber failing to take to the track for the opening practice session of the year at Melbourne's Albert Park.

as for driving the '16 PU in '17:

The Swiss team will continue with the same 2016-specification Ferrari power units for next season, in order to concentrate on ‘chassis and performance development’.

With Sauber unwilling to wait for the specifications of next year’s Ferrari power unit to come through, Sauber have elected to run this year’s power units

lol lol lol

Sauber team principal Monisha Kaltenborn confirmed that the idea to run an existing power unit was taken some time ago, prior to their takeover by Longbow Finance in the summer.

as for Nasr ;

A point of contention, Kaltenborn admitted, was recent reports that Sauber may have actively sabotaged Nasr's car.

"Do you think we would be crazy enough to give up the fight for a better place in the championship and all the financial implications that has?" she bristled.

Ehmmm. actually, yeah, we DO believe you would be crazy enough. Crazy enough to sign 4 drivers, and the inability to 'fix' the issue prior to a GP resulting in not being able to participate in certain events of the weekend, putting a huge 'blemish' on the image of F1.

I think a decent representation of what is the Sauber F1 team is as following:







yet more proof of the exponential fail-force that is the result of having super-plague Kaltenborn in the team :

Sauber have just announced that Marcus Ericsson have been signed for 2017, so now we are down to three seats left.

It's always good to quote a source...
https://twitter.com/SauberF1Team/status ... 2157757440

i rest my case.

[ChrisDanger]

Sauber have just announced that Marcus Ericsson have been signed for 2017, so now we are down to three seats left.

It's always good to quote a source...

https://twitter.com/SauberF1Team/status ... 2157757440

Are you claiming that my charm and winning smile isn't enough for you?

It's the ones with the charm and winning smiles that are the least trustworthy!

[Sniffit]

It's always good to quote a source...

https://twitter.com/SauberF1Team/status ... 2157757440

Are you claiming that my charm and winning smile isn't enough for you?

It's the ones with the charm and winning smiles that are the least trustworthy!

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