Silly Season 2016/2017

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alexx_88 wrote:Dude, what are you on about? :D
While I usually give conspiracies the wide birth they deserve- except JFK, there's a lot of little things in Manoah2's post that do suggest a tleast some shenanigans, but you do raise the biggest point of all that they are paying LH $30m a year and no right thinking company would pay someone $30m to flush their end goal down the toilet.

Though 1500 (mostly Brits) work for Merc, it follows the direction of just three people.

I am sure everything is as straight as an arrow, but considering Mercedes are in F1 for PR, they have allowed a PR shitstorm to happen.
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Vettel's language around Mercedes the last two races sounds as if he's already a team member.

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Gaz. wrote:
alexx_88 wrote:Dude, what are you on about? :D
While I usually give conspiracies the wide birth they deserve- except JFK, there's a lot of little things in Manoah2's post that do suggest a tleast some shenanigans, but you do raise the biggest point of all that they are paying LH $30m a year and no right thinking company would pay someone $30m to flush their end goal down the toilet.

Though 1500 (mostly Brits) work for Merc, it follows the direction of just three people.

I am sure everything is as straight as an arrow, but considering Mercedes are in F1 for PR, they have allowed a PR shitstorm to happen.
Well, however you put it, Lewis makes 'worth' those 30m with ease, WDC or nr.2 doesn't do much for them.
Funny enough, good or 'bad' publicity, Lewis puts Merc in the spotlight. With all respect to Nico, Nico is as exciting
and 'promotable' as watching grey paint dry. Lewis in some photoshoots, promoting Mercedes sportscars, and winning
GP's regularly easily pays back those 30m. Lewis - Nico - Mercedes 'battle' promotes the brand, which is allways a good thing.
Also, IF Mercedes decides at certain point that Lewis becomes a 'hazard' for 'pro-Mercedes' brand imaging, then they can simply fire him and 'show their might'. And then take aboard another German [Wehrlein/Vettel] and go all out Nationalistic.

and with all do respect, Mercedes direction doesn't give squad about the people in Brackley. To them it's business and 'hiring' a squad to reach their - current - goal. When they decide to call it quits, they'll call it quits, just like Honda did. Brawn stepped in, sure, but with all do respect, he most definately knew that they had the base for a superb car and the right engine would do the job. If they did not have that double diffuser 'tool', they would not have been close to winning, and really, I am rather doubtfull whether Brawn would have 'went' with the Brawn project if they wouldn't.

Merc stepped in because they saw a possibility for a winning formula. The moment that 'project' is no longer guaranteed,
they're out and return to being a manufacturer of engines, and no longer a works team.

They live in the now, and they'll milk it dry for brand image.

They have 3 WCC's in a row now, are making headlines, break records, have had Schumacher in the team, have Lewis, have Nico Rosberg. If their 2017 contender isn't as dominating as this one, they might concider keeping Lewis for his capabilities.
If their 2017 contender is guaranteed easy race winner, they could go for Wehrlein or Vettel to replace Lew. They can boast with achieven WDC's with 2 different drivers, including current WDC Rosberg 'a proven german winner'. They can house Wehrlein as 'the other german' to be their nr2 driver or hire Vettel to make it another German to make the WDC.

Mercedes F1 team without a single doubt has zero sense of Loyalty towards Lewis,
nor does Lewis have any sense of loyalty towards Mercedes.

If it was 2 years ago, perhaps last year, things would have been / were different. We're living today though, and they can both miss eachother, which is exactly why I wouldn't be surprised to actually see him go or 'get fired'.
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I agree that he needs them, for obvious reasons and they need him for PR (and they are in F1 for PR). Regardless of bias for each driver I am not sure what positives Vettel would bring to the table other than his passport over Hamilton's positive attributes. If we look at the negative qualities and the reasons to remove Hamilton which from what I've read on various forums boil down to ignoring team orders, having a bit of a sulk when things aren't going his way and a frostiness with his team mate then these apply the Vettel (and others) too. Last year Horner laughed at 'Hatgate' and said it's nothing compared to the Vettel & Webber years (I'm paraphrasing). It doesn't solve the issue (or imagined issue). On a related note how would Wollf, Lauda and Lowe have reacted with Vettel's radio comments in Mexico if his name was above their garage door?

I'm just not convinced that replacing Hamilton with Vettel, Alonso, Ricciardo or Verstappen solves whatever perceived problem may exist, and may present new or bigger problems of their own.

I can't really comment on Wehrlein other than a rumour that does not appear to go away is that he is 'difficult'.
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Manoah2u wrote:


Merc stepped in because they saw a possibility for a winning formula. The moment that 'project' is no longer guaranteed,
they're out and return to being a manufacturer of engines, and no longer a works team.

If their 2017 contender is guaranteed easy race winner, they could go for Wehrlein or Vettel to replace Lew. They can boast with achieven WDC's with 2 different drivers, including current WDC Rosberg 'a proven german winner'. They can house Wehrlein as 'the other german' to be their nr2 driver or hire Vettel to make it another German to make the WDC. .
Absolutely, back in 2011/2012 there was a great pressure to leave F1 because some of the shareholders didn´t have enough patience. If they more than a bad season Mercedes will quite as a team.

Not Vettel, because he is known for ignoring team orders when he was in RB. But Wehrlein or another "not so top" driver could be a good choice if the car is clearly dominant. Anyway I still think that Lewis will continue at least in 2017.

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SR71 wrote:Vettel's language around Mercedes the last two races sounds as if he's already a team member.
Which language?

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Vasconia wrote:
SR71 wrote:Vettel's language around Mercedes the last two races sounds as if he's already a team member.
Which language?
German ;)

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Well, he is German, after all.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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sauberfan wrote:HOT!!! Rosberg steps down!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... retirement
Didn't see that coming! Is this for real?! :wtf:
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Many sources, so unless they all copied off each other...

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ummm,

How many people are calling Toto right now and check with there agent, how locked in there are to there contract?

Do Merc go with another lead driver to push lewis or do they go for a second driver (i hear Webber is not doing anything :D )
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Paul wrote:Many sources, so unless they all copied off each other...
Mercedes AMG F1 Twitter has confirmed it. It is real.

So Mercedes now have an empty seat! Who's gonna be there? :mrgreen:
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OMG... this topic is going to explode.

Alonso must be scrambling... or maybe Vettel? Then again, the logical choice would be Wehrlein..... What about the RedBull drivers?
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Phil wrote:OMG... this topic is going to explode.

Alonso must be scrambling... or maybe Vettel? Then again, the logical choice would be Wehrlein..... What about the RedBull drivers?
Imagine Button gets a call :D

Edit, he has contract with MCL but so did Nico
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