Silly Season 2016/2017

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Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
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Manoah2u wrote:Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
Paul Di Resta could step in.....if Mercedes let him :wink:
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LOL. Silly season thread after all.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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nevill3 wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
Paul Di Resta could step in.....if Mercedes let him :wink:
Wehrlein?

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Alonso would be great to replace Hamilton as the big money name. But he's not replacing Hamilton.
I dont expect Merc to go for him. Just not worth the risk. Plus his age may not be an issue in 2016 cars. Who knows, the 2017 cars may show up any aging imperfections.
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skoop wrote:
nevill3 wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
Paul Di Resta could step in.....if Mercedes let him :wink:
Wehrlein?
But that would mean Williams would have two novices in a year when experience will be important.
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Manoah2u wrote:Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
hmm... Jenson Button? Coming out of retirement to rejoin Williams to make it his final season and maybe a true farewell to the sport after the season. It would be cool for Jenson to retire at the team where it all starts, but would he still have the chance to work with McLaren again after his retirement? I know he still works for McLaren now he is retired.

I think Kvyat with his russian money is also a possibility. Let's be honest I don't think he has a future at Red Bull. He's just filling the seat at the moment. Should be fairly easy to lure him away with only a 1 year extension at Toro Rosso. Williams could offer a multiple year contract for him where he would truly feel at home and show his true skill in a great environment. He needs that bit of luck at the moment, because he has shown his raw speed at times. He needs some confidence right now and a multiple year contract at Williams could do it.

Logical thing would be Pascal Wehrlein. Williams would stall him a season or two and get a discount on the Mercedes PU while Pascal is behind the wheel.

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OK, to the contract issue. Don't forget, contract negotiations in sport are not just about getting who you want but also about destabilising your competition by making sure that they know their drivers want to be in your car.

Realistically with a new formula Mercedes are going to play it safe with a de facto number one and two driver. ALO and VET would be box office but not at the expense of Merecedes losing points/races whilst egos get their elbows out in the team to try and dominate.

Wehrlein or Bottas with Sainz as an (excellent) outsider.

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Nasr in at Williams if Bottas leaves? He has history with them, and Bernie is reportedly keen to keep him on the grid.

Can't see Jenson coming back, he looked like a man that was keen to move on with his life. Though I imagine he's still got his Mclaren contract for next year, even though he's stopped calling it a sabbatical ahead of a potential return, so he potentially wouldn't be easy to get in any case.

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Manoah2u wrote:Outside of that,

IF for some crazy reason BOTTAS would be Rosberg's replacement:

who is going to replace Bottas at williams!?! I think Williams would find themselves in even deeper trouble losing Valterri
Jenson if he doesn't mind trundling around in the midfield again lol. or better yet the Maldonated one. Proven race winner remember. :mrgreen:
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There are enough here who are predicting Wehrlein, Alonso, and Button, etc, so let me go out on a limb and predict Perez. My reasoning is that Perez is a solid driver who can help win the WCC, and although he is under contract, his contract is with a team that uses Mercedes engines, which should be a bit easier to negotiate than some of the other options. Wehrlein can slot into Force India. One-year contracts for both of them, and then we'll see what happens towards the end of the season. (Of course I can be totally wrong, but what fun is it to predict what everyone else is predicting...)

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Manoah2u wrote:
ringo wrote:Alonso is staying with Honda. His contract is air tight. 3 years locked in.
why on earth do people still hang on to this nonsense?
there are already sources out that mention Alonso has a buy-out clause of 23 million pounds.
Is that air tight? no it isn't, it is open for money.
Then, nobody here knows whether Alonso has signed a contract which has a clause that by the end
of the 2nd year the car is not capable of winning, he is free to leave. I am thoroughly sure that clause exists.

Which means that buy-out issue doesnt even need to be 'exploited'.

pre-finally, Mercedes themselves have claimed Alonso is an option. If it was air-tight, there would be no discussion.

finally, and this really is the nail in the coffin,
There was serious discussion of Alonso going to Mercedes before the Rosberg events of late.
Even more; Mercedes literally stated that if either Lewis' or Rosberg' contract discussions came to a halt,
rather; they couldn't work things out - then they would go for Alonso.

which utterly means, that Alonso IS an option, IS available and does NOT have an air-tight contract.

And again, even IF the buyout clause would be existant and neccesary, then Mercedes would pay that amount
and still get proper money back from PR alone. They'd make a buck that Nico could never get them, and a guaranteed
driver that will get you as many WCC points as the car is capable of.

Do i want Alonso in there above anybody else? Hell yeah!
Is Alonso not an option? hell no - he's their very best option to choose from right now.

The ONLY thing possibly preventing Mercedes from engaging into a partnership with Alonso, is the direction and possibilities for the long-term future.
THAT's where a driver like Bottas has more potential - theoretically that is.

Alonso would home in fantastic results and perhaps even a very own WDC for 2 years give or take. After that, i can see Alonso losing interest and simply get 'too much of a veteran' to really continue, whereas Bottas surely has about 4-5 years tops to be accomodated, and 'shaped' into the angle they want him to - making him a handy nr2 driver to Lewis, and by the time Lewis calls it quits with Mercedes, he'll be ready for either a more professional role, or to help their next 'star driver'.

The problem again with Bottas however, is that i don't think bottas fancies or sees himself as a Nr.2 driver.
So if we look at that little pickle again, then you simply once again return for the best solution right now:
Alonso.

Not a single doubt in my mind. Mercedes would have to be crazy not to sign him. It really is their only 'solution' to the really big problem Rosberg has left them with.
I agree that nobody hear has any ideas what contracts say - but for sure Alonso has a performance exit clause. Does mclaren/Honda pass Alonso's performance improvement map? I highly doubt the teams position is even close to what Ron Dennis promised.

I'd also be on Alonso being a complete monster at mclaren if he doesn't get out and watches Mercedes run off to another championship.

Sure mclaren/Honda could probably keep Alonso, but teams can barely stand him when they have a good car - imagine the terror he would be internally should he have to watch another one slip away at his age.

Hondas probably letting him go for free to be honest - it's cheaper in the long run. Plenty of hungry guys want that mclaren seat and Jensons in the wings.

Even rumors of Vettel hovering for a Honda seat still are around.

Mclaren Honda isn't the short term bet but for someone like Vettel it could be a move should the come round in 2 years.

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A good choice for a year will be Massa.
He is fast and available and knows the Mercedes power.
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notsofast wrote:There are enough here who are predicting Wehrlein, Alonso, and Button, etc, so let me go out on a limb and predict Perez. My reasoning is that Perez is a solid driver who can help win the WCC, and although he is under contract, his contract is with a team that uses Mercedes engines, which should be a bit easier to negotiate than some of the other options. Wehrlein can slot into Force India. One-year contracts for both of them, and then we'll see what happens towards the end of the season. (Of course I can be totally wrong, but what fun is it to predict what everyone else is predicting...)
Force India would be left with a driver with less than 1 year of formula 1 as their top driver.
Williams and Force India will each fight any attempt to take their top drivers as they have a real competition for 4th.
I'm hoping for Alonso but again Mclaren would be left with a junior driver.

I think realistically it is going to have to be a junior driver. shame.

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Massa? ahahahahahah!