2017-2020 Aerodynamic Regulations Thread

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There won't be much, if any, change to the width of the space between the rear wheels. The rear wheels will be approximately 90mm wider while overall car width increases 100mm per side. Tyre sidewall shape is unknown and will depend on mounting and pressure, and isn't factored into FIA's dimensional checks. So actual assembled wheel & tyre width is unknown.
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The rules on floor slots haven't changed, right? The slot still needs to be 'open' on one side?

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godlameroso wrote:I still think that the new rear wing has much more potential to create downforce, given it's placement and geometry of the diffuser, and the wider floor.
I think the slotted floors (in front of the rear wheel) are a small but underrated 2016 development feature.

Anyone know if the impact of the wider floor + unchanged side pod width will increase the efficacy of slotted/serrated floors?
There is definitely the possibility to exploit this area, especially given the wider floor and higher possibility for undercut or using ducts that pass through the side pod to enhance the potential of this area.

The challenge would be stabilizing the flow structures in that area, because it could cause chassis problem if they're sensitive to pitch for instance.

Truth be told there's so much that can be developed that the teams are scrambling for time, even those that got a head start.

Even now that teams are in the process of passing the crash tests, and have their chassis signed off for manufacturing, they're kicking themselves because there's not enough time to implement neat new things they've learned.
Yeah I'm expecting the slots to grow a bit with more geometry around the edges, similar to the leading edge of Mercedes W floor but rotated 90.

Merc was looking quite biological this season and I really loved it.

Like a macro photo of an insect.

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The area between the rear wheels, and beneath the rear wing, and above the diffuser, is actually smaller in these new regs. (The wing is lower, the diffuser is higher, and the space between the inside faces of the rear wheels will be about the same.)

This may influence radiator exits & monkey seats. If I read the regs correctly, I don't see any changes to the area which permits the monkey seat, so it will be closer to the underside of the rear wing if kept, although no closer than 50mm, which is stipulated.

Regarding slotted floors: the slots will remain 50mm wide, the regs defining continuous floor surfaces have scaled according to the new 1600mm floor width. The rule defining the shape of the floor periphery has one change: it can be radiused 100mm, increasing from 50mm. But I think that has more influence on the flip-ups around the floor's leading edges & corners.

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roon wrote:The area between the rear wheels, and beneath the rear wing, and above the diffuser, is actually smaller in these new regs. (The wing is lower, the diffuser is higher, and the space between the inside faces of the rear wheels will be about the same.)

This may influence radiator exits & monkey seats. If I read the regs correctly, I don't see any changes to the area which permits the monkey seat, so it will be closer to the underside of the rear wing if kept, although no closer than 50mm, which is stipulated.

Regarding slotted floors: the slots will remain 50mm wide, the regs defining continuous floor surfaces have scaled according to the new 1600mm floor width. The rule defining the shape of the floor periphery has one change: it can be radiused 100mm, increasing from 50mm. But I think that has more influence on the flip-ups around the floor's leading edges & corners.

Nice!

That 100mm radius is quite interesting, mini diffusers everywhere!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-zFw6H320

The rears look a bit toooo Fat in this new animation imo, but apart from this and the (too plain) Bargeboardery it looks ass :mrgreen:
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"I don't. The rules are quite prescriptive. There is an area on the engine cover where we might see a few variations and things," he said.

"There is a bit more of an open area, and a bit more of an open area there but you don't really notice it to be honest. Once again, if you painted them all black you would struggle to notice.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/2017- ... ms-858775/
Where is this open area on the engine cover? Towards the intake or towards the rear wing?
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SectorOne wrote:
"I don't. The rules are quite prescriptive. There is an area on the engine cover where we might see a few variations and things," he said.

"There is a bit more of an open area, and a bit more of an open area there but you don't really notice it to be honest. Once again, if you painted them all black you would struggle to notice.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/2017- ... ms-858775/
Where is this open area on the engine cover? Towards the intake or towards the rear wing?
I believe he is referring to the rear end of the engine cover. Some small changes were made to the minimum-radius bodywork rules that define the smooth engine covers. Article 3.8.4. There is now an enlarged free zone at approximately the same location where we saw Merc's engine-cover-guide-vanes. It's an area between the rear wheels, which is now 75mm taller (relative to the floor). My guess is this should allow bodywork development around & above the throat of the diffuser, which for 2017 will begin rising through that same area—between the wheels and ahead of the rear axle.

Also, that same reg has another change. The sidepod intake area isn't defined until 150mm farther back, so we may see more development there with fins, inlets, fine edges & apertures. I believe this is an enlargement of the zone which permits the familiar sidepod vortex generators seen on previous years' cars.

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FrukostScones wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-zFw6H320

The rears look a bit toooo Fat in this new animation imo, but apart from this and the (too plain) Bargeboardery it looks ass :mrgreen:
The gap between rearwing endplates and tyres looks too small if it osciliates it will hit the tyre. Maybe he got something wrong

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roon wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
"I don't. The rules are quite prescriptive. There is an area on the engine cover where we might see a few variations and things," he said.

"There is a bit more of an open area, and a bit more of an open area there but you don't really notice it to be honest. Once again, if you painted them all black you would struggle to notice.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/2017- ... ms-858775/
Where is this open area on the engine cover? Towards the intake or towards the rear wing?
I believe he is referring to the rear end of the engine cover. Some small changes were made to the minimum-radius bodywork rules that define the smooth engine covers. Article 3.8.4. There is now an enlarged free zone at approximately the same location where we saw Merc's engine-cover-guide-vanes. It's an area between the rear wheels, which is now 75mm taller (relative to the floor). My guess is this should allow bodywork development around & above the throat of the diffuser, which for 2017 will begin rising through that same area—between the wheels and ahead of the rear axle.

Also, that same reg has another change. The sidepod intake area isn't defined until 150mm farther back, so we may see more development there with fins, inlets, fine edges & apertures. I believe this is an enlargement of the zone which permits the familiar sidepod vortex generators seen on previous years' cars.
What about the side crash structures, do they have to extend to 1,600mm from the car centerline?
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godlameroso wrote:What about the side crash structures, do they have to extend to 1,600mm from the car centerline?
Good point. Side impacts structure regs look unchanged. The structures are generally in the same location across all the cars—the approved locations are narrowly defined. The wording is obtuse, so I'll spare you it, but basically the structures need to be covered in a way that makes them less apparent, not just an obvious spike with bodywork over it. You'll recall that the most we've seen of those structures, from the outside, is a small bump on the sidepod. This is specifically due to how the rules are written.

I can't rule out that teams will find ways around it if they need to, but this regulation seems like it will perpetuate the hourglass shape of the sidepods that we're used to seeing.

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roon wrote:
godlameroso wrote:What about the side crash structures, do they have to extend to 1,600mm from the car centerline?
Good point. Side impacts structure regs look unchanged. The structures are generally in the same location across all the cars—the approved locations are narrowly defined. The wording is obtuse, so I'll spare you it, but basically the structures need to be covered in a way that makes them less apparent, not just an obvious spike with bodywork over it. You'll recall that the most we've seen of those structures, from the outside, is a small bump on the sidepod. This is specifically due to how the rules are written.

I can't rule out that teams will find ways around it if they need to, but this regulation seems like it will perpetuate the hourglass shape of the sidepods that we're used to seeing.
would be funny if someone came with 1400mm side pods (but maybe some secret (to me :| ) paragraph is prohibiting this?)
also what I find interestin is that it appears to me that the side pods start further back... so the side of the tub where the drivers sits is less protected... see the template in the rules. a bit strange... but maybe I just imagining things...
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Do you mean full width sidepods? As wide as the floor? A possibility near the front of the floor, but the 'coke-bottle' taper is necessitated by the rules. IIRC, no bodywork in front of the rear wheels is allowed taller than 50mm.

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Render of the 2017 F1 regulations (with the livery of the SF16-H) from La Gazzetta dello Sport

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A nice render seen on f1 reddit

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