Don't know if Pascal is as pleased as Sauber is. He speculated with a Merc drive, Ocon to FIF1.....
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The technological partnership between the Sauber F1 Team and Honda, which was intended to start from 2018 onwards, is no longer in place, the team has confirmed. Sauber has not announced yet which will be its power unit partner for 2018 and beyond.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
, or maybe they will have two engine suppliers this year instead 
after all if Mercedes can offer a better deal than Ferrari, Sauber could just accidentally sign for the better deal and sort the ensuing mess out at the first GP like they did before 
That's correct but as Sauber have scored points every season for a long time then they'll still get prize money no matter what for finishing 10th won't they? They just need to get through the season spending the least amount of money as possible.Jolle wrote:A brand new design that has no limit in development against a patched up design from three/four years ago? I think with the disappearance of Manor, the last two cars on the grid are set alreadydiffuser wrote:The 2017 completely redesigned PUs reliability will be a question mark. The 2016 Ferrari PU was no slouch. So the real question is does the focus on the chassis make Sauber faster than if it had less focus on the chassis and have more power but less reliability?Jolle wrote:Manor's contracts and licence could still be worth a bit of money. In 2017 you'll have to do a very very bad job to get beaten by Sauber, which is running on a small budget and a '16 ferrari engine while every other team have completely renewed PU's with the lift of the token system. The downside of the development of Honda and Renault is that points are going to get more and more difficult the coming years with 10 "works" cars on track. Even Williams, FI, STR and Haas will struggle.
If I was Sauber and looking for ways to save money.... I would have done the same.
Well yes, since the most time found with the new regulations is in the corners due to the increased downforce levels and the tyre size. The new cars actually are expected to be slower on the straights due to the same changes in the regulations, so a year old PU will hurt them in terms of efficiency and ultimate power but not to that extent to push them out of the 107% rule.KeiKo403 wrote:Quote taken from the Manor 17 Team topic but has relevance here....That's correct but as Sauber have scored points every season for a long time then they'll still get prize money no matter what for finishing 10th won't they? They just need to get through the season spending the least amount of money as possible.Jolle wrote:A brand new design that has no limit in development against a patched up design from three/four years ago? I think with the disappearance of Manor, the last two cars on the grid are set alreadydiffuser wrote:
The 2017 completely redesigned PUs reliability will be a question mark. The 2016 Ferrari PU was no slouch. So the real question is does the focus on the chassis make Sauber faster than if it had less focus on the chassis and have more power but less reliability?
If I was Sauber and looking for ways to save money.... I would have done the same.
Question is, if Merc/RBR/Ferrari can go some 3-4seconds a lap faster will Sauber be able to produce a car capable of qualifying within the 107% time with a year old PU in the back?
Well yes, I meant lower top speed at the straights but over all faster lap times.diffuser wrote:Depends on the straight.
More DF and fatter rear tires will allow quicker acceleration and braking. That get the car to a top speed sooner and allow it to stay there longer. Obviously the longer the straight, the more time the higher top speed has to catch-up. Straights are sometimes fed from slight bends which last year weren't taken flat out and will be this year. My point is, you can say the top speed maybe lower, not sure you can say the cars will be slower down straights.
Only if Sauber did a really really bad bad job (mounting the rear wing upside down) will put them outside the 107 rule. Even the '15 Manor, which was a '14 car with questionable drivers and some safety modifications and a year old PU had no problems.bauc wrote:Well yes, since the most time found with the new regulations is in the corners due to the increased downforce levels and the tyre size. The new cars actually are expected to be slower on the straights due to the same changes in the regulations, so a year old PU will hurt them in terms of efficiency and ultimate power but not to that extent to push them out of the 107% rule.KeiKo403 wrote:Quote taken from the Manor 17 Team topic but has relevance here....That's correct but as Sauber have scored points every season for a long time then they'll still get prize money no matter what for finishing 10th won't they? They just need to get through the season spending the least amount of money as possible.Jolle wrote:
A brand new design that has no limit in development against a patched up design from three/four years ago? I think with the disappearance of Manor, the last two cars on the grid are set already
Question is, if Merc/RBR/Ferrari can go some 3-4seconds a lap faster will Sauber be able to produce a car capable of qualifying within the 107% time with a year old PU in the back?
Thanks, but it only reiterates that nothing is confirmed, however likely it might be.shotzski wrote:Dunno if this is a credible source but, here it is anyway:
https://thejudge13.com/2017/01/18/saube ... s-in-2018/