The problem of the F1 car 2017

[Manoah2u]

http://www.motorsportretro.com/wp-conte ... na-98t.jpg

Look at the massive tyres and wings on this thing. Any little girl would be able to drive it like it was on rails without ever losing traction.

i surely hope that is sarcasm right there.

[DiogoBrand]

http://www.motorsportretro.com/wp-conte ... na-98t.jpg

Look at the massive tyres and wings on this thing. Any little girl would be able to drive it like it was on rails without ever losing traction.

i surely hope that is sarcasm right there.

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear.

[Manoah2u]

I couldn't imagine it any other way though lol.

[wesley123]

less downforce

You mean like 2005, 2009 and 2014?

[downforcemax]

less downforce

You mean like 2005, 2009 and 2014?

no like 1995 les downforce ......or more horsepower
a f1 schould have way more horsepower than downforce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YU8VTbJSk

no max downforce for easy driving but max power so the driver has to work the car

Ferrari's 043 was putting out 820 hp (611 kW) at 15,800 rpm .......and downforce ? not even 10% of what we have now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQV-YjisANM

thats driving a proper car ,,,,,try to control power output by means of skill
not with downforce to the max

[krisfx]

Yeah, things were always better in the past... Even in the past it wasn't as good as it had been before that.

its not about the past, it about to much downforce and not enough horsepower.
who cares about the past, we need to have a good future

and f1 cars driving on railtracks in not a good future, if f1 car can almost go full throttle, where is the part that you manage a car ? and try to get it as fast as possible in the corners to the straight


so funny you think its about the past......its about the future

getting more grip with aerodynamic solutions and mechanic solutions are easy to get with the new rules and cfd and wind tunnels

but getting more horse power is so hard with the same 2017 rules

F1 cars are underpowered ground effect monsters.......like highspeed maglef trains....

if i see it wrong tell me, what is good about so much downforce

They tried to increase power and reduce downforce in 14 - 16 and the racing was arguably more dull.... The 04 cars were on rails and everyone would love to go back to those!

[Vasconia]

Mechanical grip and downforce has always been the solution, not aerodinamic downforce. But they keep repeating the same mistakes.

[wesley123]

less downforce

You mean like 2005, 2009 and 2014?

no like 1995 les downforce ......or more horsepower

But the 2005, 2009 and 2014 rules were all aimed at reducing downforce. Because that would increase the spectacle.

That now, in 2017, they are reverting from that tells enough, really.

a f1 schould have way more horsepower than downforce

Who says so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YU8VTbJSk

no max downforce for easy driving but max power so the driver has to work the car

Yeah, because driving F1 cars these days is oh-so easy.

These cars have more power than those 90s cars, and at low speeds downforce means very little. You want to know why don't slide very often? Because it is pretty dumb, shreds tires and overall costs time.

Ferrari's 043 was putting out 820 hp (611 kW) at 15,800 rpm .......and downforce ? not even 10% of what we have now

I doubt you have numbers of these years cars, nor from cars of that era, so I'm calling BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQV-YjisANM

thats driving a proper car ,,,,,try to control power output by means of skill
not with downforce to the max

You are implying that drivers these days don't need to control 'power output'? These cars don't have 250bhp, but a lot more.

[downforcemax]

You mean like 2005, 2009 and 2014?

no like 1995 les downforce ......or more horsepower

But the 2005, 2009 and 2014 rules were all aimed at reducing downforce. Because that would increase the spectacle.

That now, in 2017, they are reverting from that tells enough, really.

a f1 schould have way more horsepower than downforce

Who says so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YU8VTbJSk

no max downforce for easy driving but max power so the driver has to work the car

Yeah, because driving F1 cars these days is oh-so easy.

These cars have more power than those 90s cars, and at low speeds downforce means very little. You want to know why don't slide very often? Because it is pretty dumb, shreds tires and overall costs time.

Ferrari's 043 was putting out 820 hp (611 kW) at 15,800 rpm .......and downforce ? not even 10% of what we have now

I doubt you have numbers of these years cars, nor from cars of that era, so I'm calling BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQV-YjisANM

thats driving a proper car ,,,,,try to control power output by means of skill
not with downforce to the max

You are implying that drivers these days don't need to control 'power output'? These cars don't have 250bhp, but a lot more.

its a fact that if you have way more downforce than horse power driving is easyer


the term full trottle (all high speed corners now ) looks very nice but in fact its means youre short of hors power
and those very complex front wings damn ...there bad for the sport ....they are much to agile and responsif to bad airflo from the car in front


its going totally the wrong way.

1990 til 2017 horsepower stays the same and downforce and frontwing complexty rises, wat you get is underpowered maglef trains


you need way more power, or less downforce cars shoud be hard to control because you should have way more horsepower
on youre control then you can use,

the only way drivers can show there skill is in cornering, and when all highspeed corners in 2017 are not corners any more but just max throttle bends on the straights, well you dont need to break eh.......so its much less demanding

[Unc1eM0nty]

Are you a visitor from the future?

You don't need to be from the future to predict what's going to happen this year, same as last year but faster, with less pit stops and less overtaking.

The engineers have been telling us this since the 2017 rule changes were first announced.

[hollowBallistix]

Complaining about aerodynamic performance with that username....

[godlameroso]

Yeah, things were always better in the past... Even in the past it wasn't as good as it had been before that.

its not about the past, it about to much downforce and not enough horsepower.
who cares about the past, we need to have a good future

and f1 cars driving on railtracks in not a good future, if f1 car can almost go full throttle, where is the part that you manage a car ? and try to get it as fast as possible in the corners to the straight


so funny you think its about the past......its about the future

getting more grip with aerodynamic solutions and mechanic solutions are easy to get with the new rules and cfd and wind tunnels

but getting more horse power is so hard with the same 2017 rules

F1 cars are underpowered ground effect monsters.......like highspeed maglef trains....

if i see it wrong tell me, what is good about so much downforce

There's still turns, 1 & 2, turn 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15. All turns that must be navigated.

[zac510]

if i see it wrong tell me

your wrong


(Well, how can you debate in a thread like this except bring it down to their level?)

[downforcemax]

if i see it wrong tell me

your wrong


(Well, how can you debate in a thread like this except bring it down to their level?)

tell me how it is then please

[zac510]

Well for a start, how will you address the pressure amongst viewing fans to not make the cars slower? If you take off so much downforce that the cars are slower than 2014-16 era, people will complain that GP2 is as fast.