Racist fans of F1 (and most other sports)

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Spencifer_Murphy
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Oooops - sorry, I may be English, but my English is very poor lol.

That's probably why I'm studying a big child's course like engineering and not a civilised, cultured course like literature or history!

That said, gimme sum big boys toys any day over a 200year old book! :lol:
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P_O_L
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manchild wrote:
P_O_L wrote:I remember F1 journos like Roebuck comparing Schumacher to a NAzi wartime officer in his column. Praising mclaren for their no race collusion tactics melbourne 98 while flaming Ferrari when they did the same in 2002.
During one FIA gala (can't remember the exact year) Schuey was "joking" imitating some salutation or something belonging to Nazi officer. Even if he didn't do that his hypocrite ubermensch behavior certainly inspired people to think that if he was born in 1910 he'd be a role model for Nazi officer - arrogant, inhumane and immoral.

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I find that hard to believe. Please come up with some pictures or refference or retract that accusation. Shumi has stated in various intervieuws that he is far from proud on that epidose of German history. And even if he did, is that suddenly a carte blanche for british journos to lower themselves to that level? I thought the UK authorities had eradicated such behaviour by good guidance?

Its even more hilarious you mention arrogance, a favorite argument from British onto Germans or shumi in particular. Eversince the emergence of Lewis he is been branded the 2nd coming. "the best driver ever'. Better than Sennna, Shumi, Clark, Villeneuve, Lauda, Prost. If you dont call that arrogance (the kid has won 4 races), then you must be pretty thick.

Last monaco 2007, Dennis was accused of giving team orders. He responded by saying:"the last time i gave a teamorder, was in melbourne 98 to correct a mistake by our team". Therefore diffusing the story the mclaren drivers came up with, that they agreed before the race that whoever entered corner 1 first, would win the race. It was a lie invented by mclaren PR. DC stated in the season revieuw 1998 in autosport, that he had done it to protect his contract with mclaren and that he wasnt proud of it. That same DC defended Rubens for moving over at the last lap for shumi at austria. There is still a difference though, mclaren robbed the fans of a true race in melbourne 1998. Ferrari at least fought with shumi onto rubens gearbox untill the very last meters.

Whatever, it remains very hypocrite of the Brit press to defend poor lying mclaren whilst attacking Ferrari for doing exactly the same. More reason to think the UK authorities arent so superior to Spanish as youd like to think and what was the main reason for giving a reply.

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have you looked at the outcry on http://www.thesun.co.uk and also http://www.itv-f1.com ???

quite frankly i hate everything about the british press

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Regarding FIA gala, it was years ago. It was even mentioned in this forum by someone else.

In 1998, Mclaren team bosses didn't issue any team order. It was a personal agreement between drivers. In 2007 instruction given to Hamilton didn't change race order. So it is not "exactly the same" as what Ferrari did in 2002 or during whole Schumacher era. Remember that Irvine, Barichello and Massa were not just orderd to let him pass by every time there's occasion for it but they were contracted to do so unlike any Mclaren or any other F1 team's driver.

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May I quickly point out, the 'team order' was an agreement between Ron, Mika and DC at the start of the race. DC was known for his lightning starts back then and was sure he'd get there first, Mika was on pole and was sure he'd get there first, Ron realised that if both drivers got there first then there was a chance of a collision, so he told them to take it easy.

The team mistake was an unclear radio message to Mika's car which, giving the race situation, he assumed was to call him to the pits. When he arrived there was noone there so he drove on.

As for Austria, not many people remember that the same team pulled the exact same stunt the same race the year before, except DC had already won and it was for second.
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All I know is that I'm glad Lewisfan wasn't here, or otherwise this thread would have probably been closed many pages ago.

I agree with manchild about this thread being locked, but is there a way to lock this thread for a few weeks, and let everyone cool down, and then re-open it :?:

And once its re-open, maybe we could get back to discussing the actual topic, which is mainly about "racism in f1", not team orders or anything else similar.
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As the thread starter I agree the discussion I wanted has been finished. So I'd like this to slip away now :)
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