2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[RS200E]

He's just saying what we can all see. The question is if the Melbourne spec engine is ok, or can the problem be fixed before Melbourne. I'm sure Honda are working hard on it.

[Alonsofor2017]

Agreed, no matter how many times they have to start at the back of the grid for an engine change, next year their aim must be continual progression of the engine until they can consistently fight for podiums at the very least least. They have nothing to loose and everything to gain from this. There's no point fighting for 1 or 2 points if there's a chance that by the end of the season you could be scoring 10 or 15 at a time

Loads of people were saying this in 2015. Didn't really work out

2015 had token system. 2017 doesn't. They can essentially bring an update every race if they don't mind taking penalties. 2015 was when they were limited by a limited set of tokens so had to select what upgrade they want very wisely.

I don't think they can develop that fast. Just because they can bring an update every race doesn't mean they have the time and money to do it. It would be rushed and clumsy. I'm sure they where developing hard in 2015 behind the scenes just applying it to the track was slowed down.

[ALO_Power]

Honda fearful....

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... rt-879232/

Just wow.

Why we getting round and round in circles? This article has been posted so many times already in almost every thread and all it says is just repeating what Hasegawa told in the initial press conference. Nothing new and nothing to conclude from it. Is there a chance that there's a fundamental design issue with the engine? yes . Is there a chance it's fine and will be an easy fix? yes again. We will know soon. So far they ran ok in last 2 days and in the 2nd film day.

[McL-H]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ear-target

McLaren doing the same old "we have achieved all of our goals, but Honda hasn't" again. I have been hearing the team uptalk their chassis for the last 2 seasons while it was just not good enough. I am noticing a trend here. Yes, Honda messed up, but it's not like the car itself looks good in corners either! They both have got massive work to do in order to give fans something to cheer for again.

[jason.parker.86]

McLarens partnership with Honda will at best result in them being a mid-field runner.

In my opinion the only engine manufacturer who can turn around the woes of McLaren is BMW.

Their is no doubt that the aero on the Formula 1 cars of today contribute greatly to lap times and performance - however that Mercedes engine is leagues ahead of the rest and I suspect their dominance will not end before 2020.

[Phil]

If it turns out like 2016 again I think they'll be pretty happy, as it means they'll be catching up with the pack in front, and with no token system risky choices can be reverted instead of locked in.

You seem to be forgetting that changing around "risky choices" might just also have an impact on chassis too.

The car is designed to a certain spec. Change a crucial integral path of it and it might lead to other changes that may impact other parts too. E.g. Going extremely agressive on efficiency and cooling, a "size-zero", then finding out that the engine in that configuration cant make enough or work reliable and the chassis/aero cant offset this enough. So you might revert to a different approach with different cooling/packaging requirements and that will change the aero flow and thus design of the car.

Again: even if they miraculously achieve the best, strongest, most efficient engine, its all for zip if the entire package (that being the entire car) doesnt work. Does Honda have the ability to create the best or as good an engine? Does McLaren have the ability to create the best car/chassis? Do they both have the ability to do that together as a team, eith all their parts fitting together like a puzzle? That is the only relevant question.

[RS200E]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ear-target

McLaren doing the same old "we have achieved all of our goals, but Honda hasn't" again. I have been hearing the team uptalk their chassis for the last 2 seasons while it was just not good enough. I am noticing a trend here. Yes, Honda messed up, but it's not like the car itself looks good in corners either! They both have got massive work to do in order to give fans something to cheer for again.

With all respect, l you are failing to realise that Honda having a lack of power, drivability and reliability is the precursor for McLaren's chassis romoured to be twitchy.

Honda will improve over the season and this will allow McLaren to set up the car with less compromise.

[McL-H]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ear-target

McLaren doing the same old "we have achieved all of our goals, but Honda hasn't" again. I have been hearing the team uptalk their chassis for the last 2 seasons while it was just not good enough. I am noticing a trend here. Yes, Honda messed up, but it's not like the car itself looks good in corners either! They both have got massive work to do in order to give fans something to cheer for again.

With all respect, l you are failing to realise that Honda having a lack of power, drivability and reliability is the precursor for McLaren's chassis romoured to be twitchy.

Honda will improve over the season and this will allow McLaren to set up the car with less compromise.

I believe I made quite clear that the Honda engine is lacking, but it's nonsense that you're blaming it on just that. As if the chassis is fantastic... Top manufacturers drive through turn 3 full power, as well through turn 9. McLaren has to back off. You are seriously blaming that on the engine's drivability? Poor drivability is for sure visible in the third sector, but the drivers having to go down on the throttle in the long corners (with the downforce levels we have this year) shows the car itself isn't on the level of the front runners either. I remember that the chassis was hailed in previous years as well. Folks said it was "all due to the Honda engine" and McLaren themselves said their chassis was one of the best, but fact is that McLaren showed bad pace at any track or circumstance where a good chassis would show.

This season is starting the same as the last two, and I ain't buying it anymore. Both McLaren and Honda are not performing.

[RS200E]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ear-target

McLaren doing the same old "we have achieved all of our goals, but Honda hasn't" again. I have been hearing the team uptalk their chassis for the last 2 seasons while it was just not good enough. I am noticing a trend here. Yes, Honda messed up, but it's not like the car itself looks good in corners either! They both have got massive work to do in order to give fans something to cheer for again.

With all respect, l you are failing to realise that Honda having a lack of power, drivability and reliability is the precursor for McLaren's chassis romoured to be twitchy.

Honda will improve over the season and this will allow McLaren to set up the car with less compromise.

I believe I made quite clear that the Honda engine is lacking, but it's nonsense that you're blaming it on just that. As if the chassis is fantastic... Top manufacturers drive through turn 3 full power, as well through turn 9. McLaren has to back off. You are seriously blaming that on the engine's drivability? Poor drivability is for sure visible in the third sector, but the drivers having to go down on the throttle in the long corners (with the downforce levels we have this year) shows the car itself isn't on the level of the front runners either. I remember that the chassis was hailed in previous years as well. Folks said it was "all due to the Honda engine" and McLaren themselves said their chassis was one of the best, but fact is that McLaren showed bad pace at any track or circumstance where a good chassis would show.

This season is starting the same as the last two, and I ain't buying it anymore. Both McLaren and Honda are not performing.

I don't think you understand my post fully or have been paying attention to how the engines power and drivabilty affects how a car can be utilised.

McLaren haven't necessarily build a bad chassis but it will never be as good as it can be until the Honda engine can be refined more in every area.

Also the source of all this McLaren building a bad chassis is just terrible and unfounded.

[ALO_Power]

Let's wait for the end of 2nd week of testing at least guys. We will have a much much better and clearer image of what's going on.

[toraabe]

The v8 Honda in 2008 also suffered from bad drivability, lack of top end power and was not as reliable as the others. The latter was due to the longer stroke than the others. This was also the reason why Ross Brawn decided to install Mercedes engines in 2009.

[HPD]

https://twitter.com/AlanSabatino/status ... 8427735040

[Peter1919]

The v8 Honda in 2008 also suffered from bad drivability, lack of top end power and was not as reliable as the others. The latter was due to the longer stroke than the others. This was also the reason why Ross Brawn decided to install Mercedes engines in 2009.

Ross Brawn took the only engine deal on offer after Honda pulled out of F1 rather abruptly to say the least.

[mrluke]

With all respect, l you are failing to realise that Honda having a lack of power, drivability and reliability is the precursor for McLaren's chassis romoured to be twitchy.

Honda will improve over the season and this will allow McLaren to set up the car with less compromise.

I believe I made quite clear that the Honda engine is lacking, but it's nonsense that you're blaming it on just that. As if the chassis is fantastic... Top manufacturers drive through turn 3 full power, as well through turn 9. McLaren has to back off. You are seriously blaming that on the engine's drivability? Poor drivability is for sure visible in the third sector, but the drivers having to go down on the throttle in the long corners (with the downforce levels we have this year) shows the car itself isn't on the level of the front runners either. I remember that the chassis was hailed in previous years as well. Folks said it was "all due to the Honda engine" and McLaren themselves said their chassis was one of the best, but fact is that McLaren showed bad pace at any track or circumstance where a good chassis would show.

This season is starting the same as the last two, and I ain't buying it anymore. Both McLaren and Honda are not performing.

I don't think you understand my post fully or have been paying attention to how the engines power and drivabilty affects how a car can be utilised.

McLaren haven't necessarily build a bad chassis but it will never be as good as it can be until the Honda engine can be refined more in every area.

Also the source of all this McLaren building a bad chassis is just terrible and unfounded.

Mclaren had the smallest gap to Pole last year at the power circuits and the largest gap to pole on the Chassis circuits. Consistently.

Look at Mclaren's performances in Monaco vs Spa. There is nothing unfounded about this, it is well documented and at the end of the season we had multiple posts admitting Mclaren had a fundamental problem with the rear of their car meaning they always ran more downforce (and drag) then their opposition to try and overcome it.

[GoranF1]

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We can do 1.19 lap time

Chassis is good.