2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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godlameroso wrote:It seems that people are simply passing judgment reading far too much into lap times. 77 laps of running for Vandoorne, not a bad way to finish.
77 laps and a full engine change in a day.

That's an achievement!

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godlameroso wrote:It seems that people are simply passing judgment reading far too much into lap times. 77 laps of running for Vandoorne, not a bad way to finish.

Thats true, but they are still crawling on the track with no race stints and continuous pace. I know u have to crawl before u can run, but all of this looks to me like they are 15 years old and still doing baby steps. It worrys me.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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Ended on 80 for the day, great recovery after a speedy PU change. Surely 100+ laps the target for tomorrow, fingers crossed.

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proteus wrote:Thats true, but they are still crawling on the track with no race stints and continuous pace. I know u have to crawl before u can run, but all of this looks to me like they are 15 years old and still doing baby steps. It worrys me.
Baby steps is exactly right, but to be expected after their troubles so far. They're still doing aero tests and setup exploration at this point. Expect some performance runs for Thursday and Friday.

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godlameroso wrote:It seems that people are simply passing judgment reading far too much into lap times. 77 laps of running for Vandoorne, not a bad way to finish.
:?: :?: :?:
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He did some continuous laps in the 1:24's. A full load of fuel would have lap times around 1:27-28 with medium tires. In other words the cars on full fuel are as fast as last year's cars late in the race. A good low fuel race pace would be in the 24-25's, a flat out qualifying time maybe high 19's as there's about 5.5 seconds between qualifying pace and average race pace.
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Chanman141 wrote:I think mclaren are on target for roughly 80 laps today, they seem to prefer lots of small short runs
I actually got the number of laps right, although with the engine change it was looking unlikely

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proteus wrote:
godlameroso wrote:It seems that people are simply passing judgment reading far too much into lap times. 77 laps of running for Vandoorne, not a bad way to finish.

Thats true, but they are still crawling on the track with no race stints and continuous pace. I know u have to crawl before u can run, but all of this looks to me like they are 15 years old and still doing baby steps. It worrys me.
Not a lot McLaren can do other than wait for Honda to fix the PU problems (which is likely a position that's been worn to breaking point within McLaren by now I'd guess). Honda probably have no choice but to run the race spec PU at this test, in order to shake it down and see what issues pop up. We'll know just how good or bad things are after the first few fly away races have concluded. So there is no point in panicking just yet or rushing to slam Honda.

I'm not worried about McLaren's long term future. Honda will either get it right or McLaren will look elsewhere.

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Maybe they're just adding like 100Kg of ballast so no one would get suspicious that they may have a good car. And then for Melbourne they remove the ballast and win everything when everyone else is too late to catch up. :mrgreen:

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DiogoBrand wrote:Maybe they're just adding like 100Kg of ballast so no one would get suspicious that they may have a good car. And then for Melbourne they remove the ballast and win everything when everyone else is too late to catch up. :mrgreen:
... and then they remove the balast and all they setup is all wrong...
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Imagine being Hondas twitter guy in the middle of tweeting how the Honda Engine has done 34 laps without..

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Mr.G wrote:
DiogoBrand wrote:Maybe they're just adding like 100Kg of ballast so no one would get suspicious that they may have a good car. And then for Melbourne they remove the ballast and win everything when everyone else is too late to catch up. :mrgreen:
... and then they remove the balast and all they setup is all wrong...
Not really, they'd just replace the ballast with 105Kg of fuel, then their ridiculous test pace would actually be their mindblowing race pace.
Anyways, sorry for this BS, it's the frustration talking.

Has anyone seen this?
http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/inside- ... Launch2017
INTRODUCING THE #SNEAKYKIWI

Unnoticed by all and sundry amid the launch-day hub-bub was a little decal of a Speedy Kiwi that had been craftily applied to the underside of one of the MCL32’s sidepods. Why? Because the kiwi – the national symbol of New Zealand – was adopted by our founder as the team’s official mascot.

Bruce commissioned motor racing artist Michael Turner to design the first kiwi logo in November 1963. It first appearing as a crest alongside a chequered flag and a single-seater, then was re-designed in 1967, becoming the now iconic Speedy Kiwi logo.

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By our recollection (and, no, we don’t have an official record of these things), a Kiwi hasn’t appeared on the chassis of a Formula 1 McLaren since the mid-1970s (a quick hunt finds a black, painted Kiwi on Emmo’s 1974 M23, but no longer appearing thereafter). But that, like many other things, has now changed.For 2017, we conceived the #SneakyKiwi as a sort of fan ‘easter egg’ – an unexpected or hidden little bonus for the sharp-eyed to spot. At every race, we’ll be sticking a kiwi decal onto our race cars – and leaving them for only the keenest fans to trace.

As we say, nobody spotted it on launch day – but look out for it in Melbourne…
I know it's and old article, so maybe it was posted here and I missed it. Also it's quite silly considering there is more serious subjects to worry about, but I found it quite interesting. Will be cool to try and spo it during the race weekends

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McLaren looks like they are in for another year to struggling min the midfield, and Ferrari look like they have the quickest car... Alonso must be kicking himself so hard right now.

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Diesel wrote:McLaren looks like they are in for another year to struggling min the midfield, and Ferrari look like they have the quickest car... Alonso must be kicking himself so hard right now.

Alonso's decision to move to McLaren for me was always a bad one. With Ferrari he would atleast have a few wins and podiums in 70-80% of races. Yeah I know it's all in hindsight but still. Honda IS NEVER going to come good. They don't have the ability and engineering acumen necessary to succeed in Formula 1.

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makecry wrote:
Diesel wrote:McLaren looks like they are in for another year to struggling min the midfield, and Ferrari look like they have the quickest car... Alonso must be kicking himself so hard right now.

Alonso's decision to move to McLaren for me was always a bad one. With Ferrari he would atleast have a few wins and podiums in 70-80% of races. Yeah I know it's all in hindsight but still. Honda IS NEVER going to come good. They don't have the ability and engineering acumen necessary to succeed in Formula 1.
Ferrari will be this year, again, the second best team. So, the decision was good because he didn't want to be 2nd again. However, McLaren Honda will probably be fighting with Sauber or Renault this year. A very sad thing.