2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Goran2812]

Where's that guy I argued with last week regarding number of test days, Honda being amateurs and all other stuff that he put aside and told me that there is still enough time for them to test and sort out problems... LOL
In your face now!
I've been on track for two days, McLaren and Honda are nowhere to be seen! Few laps, many problems, and a frustrated Alonso... One thing you don't want in your team is a frustrated Alonso.
I'm gonna say it again: Honda are amateurs and should have prepared better! This is embarrassing and frankly really really sad and pathetic now...

Maybe that was me, but your response lacks eloquence and is tactless.

I recommend you take your time before posting. The old saying "Would an idiot do that...", is sound advice in this case.

I wasn't referring to you in my post and please don't compare me to an idiot since I'm far from it, thank you very much. I just can't help myself when it comes to McLaren and Honda since they talked a big game, and nothing is coming of it... I'll just keep my mouth shut from now on and not comment at all. Sorry to those that were offended by this.

Cheers

[mclaren111]

Honda needs a "Hail Mary" as the saying goes

[mclaren111]

Is it me or does this engine seem more unreliable that previous years?

Only 2 days the engine didn't fail this year. Don't know if there was a failure on the filming days but it's safe to bet that it did. Probably about equal to previous years.

About same as 2015. Last year they did 100+ laps a day a couple of times ( if my memory serves me correctly)

[godlameroso]

Apparently they'll have a reliability fix for Australian GP, and the first major PU evolution will happen for the Spanish GP.

[Thunder]

If that reliability fix is undergoing the same Test Procedures as the Engines they brought to the Tests this will be fun.....

[krisfx]

I was first 2 years quiet and pretty optimistic. But 3rd year in the row unforgiving. When you cannot figure out just basis of the car is just bananas.

Yeah there was tricky token system and late coming to scene also dint help.

But at least this year they will have freedom to change everything after couple races. Mclaren had no other option to just support Japanese colleges and even try to chear up the frustrated engineers. Maybe some organization reconsideration should took place.

If it's to be believed, they're basically clean sheet this year. It's not easy to go through a full design change and be completely reliable from day 1. Far too much armchair engineering.

[Sevach]

From Mr Gary Anderson

It’s been another problematic day for McLaren, causing two red flags due to an electrical issue. But what Alonso said last night is a major worry for both McLaren and Honda. Being unreliable is one thing, and it can take time to get on top of it, but lacking power is another thing. As you try to find more power, you can be hit by new reliability problems that wear everyone down.

Eric Boullier was fairly vocal about what I said about the McLaren in Turns 1-3 during the first test (he called it "fake news" and blamed it on the engine characteristics), but I can assure you what I saw was not a power delivery problem, it was a chassis balance and driver-confidence problem. Yes, McLaren will get on top of this side of things quicker than Honda will the power unit problems, but they still need addressing.

There’s two ways to look at these problems Eric commented on. The positive is they are reading Autosport – the negative is they aren’t being honest with themselves or Honda.

[GoranF1]

From Mr Gary Anderson

It’s been another problematic day for McLaren, causing two red flags due to an electrical issue. But what Alonso said last night is a major worry for both McLaren and Honda. Being unreliable is one thing, and it can take time to get on top of it, but lacking power is another thing. As you try to find more power, you can be hit by new reliability problems that wear everyone down.

Eric Boullier was fairly vocal about what I said about the McLaren in Turns 1-3 during the first test (he called it "fake news" and blamed it on the engine characteristics), but I can assure you what I saw was not a power delivery problem, it was a chassis balance and driver-confidence problem. Yes, McLaren will get on top of this side of things quicker than Honda will the power unit problems, but they still need addressing.

There’s two ways to look at these problems Eric commented on. The positive is they are reading Autosport – the negative is they aren’t being honest with themselves or Honda.

That man is soooo stupid.

[Xero]

If it's to be believed, they're basically clean sheet this year. It's not easy to go through a full design change and be completely reliable from day 1. Far too much armchair engineering.

While I agree to an extent, this time round they have experience and knowledge from the past few years, that needs to count for something. As bad as it looks for Honda, it's inconceivable to me that these issues are as fundamental as the last 2 years, 2015 in particular. Renault are having just as much issues this year, but the focus and hype surrounding McLaren Honda are highlighting it more given the problems of the last 2 years. Yes it's bad, but not as "doomsday" bad as people suggest. I fully expect Honda to dramatically improve both power and reliability in the first half of the season.

[Jef Patat]

I was first 2 years quiet and pretty optimistic. But 3rd year in the row unforgiving. When you cannot figure out just basis of the car is just bananas.

Yeah there was tricky token system and late coming to scene also dint help.

But at least this year they will have freedom to change everything after couple races. Mclaren had no other option to just support Japanese colleges and even try to chear up the frustrated engineers. Maybe some organization reconsideration should took place.

If it's to be believed, they're basically clean sheet this year. It's not easy to go through a full design change and be completely reliable from day 1. Far too much armchair engineering.

A clean sheet doesn't mean you start from nothing. Two years of experience and some further development time before that should have brought something one would think.

[PlatinumZealot]

Is it me or does this engine seem more unreliable that previous years?

Remember this new engine design was an accepted high risk. So they simply are feeling the consequences of risk taking. It will get better if they understand the TJI implementation a bit more. I have a feeling they don't know how to feed their TJI properly. I think their system is either Mahle or Magnetti Marrelli. You can tell because Honda has no sponsorship from an injector supplier so their system is a paid for system.

[godlameroso]

Magnetti Marrelli is their supplier, but it's manufactured to Honda specifications. It took Renault the last half of 2015 and half of 2016 to get on top of their TJI system. Honda has had since Spa of last year, or about 7 months. Funny then that they expect their first major power unit upgrade by the Spanish GP, which would give them a similar lead time that Renault had to get to grips with their system.

[ripper]

Just a quick thing: it's Magneti Marelli

[Vasconia]

From Mr Gary Anderson

It’s been another problematic day for McLaren, causing two red flags due to an electrical issue. But what Alonso said last night is a major worry for both McLaren and Honda. Being unreliable is one thing, and it can take time to get on top of it, but lacking power is another thing. As you try to find more power, you can be hit by new reliability problems that wear everyone down.

Eric Boullier was fairly vocal about what I said about the McLaren in Turns 1-3 during the first test (he called it "fake news" and blamed it on the engine characteristics), but I can assure you what I saw was not a power delivery problem, it was a chassis balance and driver-confidence problem. Yes, McLaren will get on top of this side of things quicker than Honda will the power unit problems, but they still need addressing.

There’s two ways to look at these problems Eric commented on. The positive is they are reading Autosport – the negative is they aren’t being honest with themselves or Honda.

That man is soooo stupid.

Its true that the Autosport comment sounds out of place but the rest is an acceptable theory.

[alonsofan]

45 laps is not bad

Was 33 today before failure.

The Bos beat me to it

http://www.espn.in/f1/story/_/id/188605 ... -day-three

ESPN F1 shoing 45