2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[ollandos]

i think vibration is the major problem and create all the others here and there even on chassis. today remind me the 1st honda test november 2014 with similar electrical issue ..mclaren and they do 2 big mistakes the first is ..not sister team ..and the second not hire andy cowell...thats the 2 keys for cost less and save time

[Thunder]

Remember this new engine design was an accepted high risk.

I'd argue Mercedes and Ferrari weren't developing their Engines in failsafe Mode. They, too, had to take risks in Development to come up with the PU's they have now. To me it seems like the whole Testing Department in Sakura is lacking. Be it Staff, Equipment or testing Processes.

[RS200E]

Interesting that Anderson thinks he knows better than the drivers and the team boss about the cars handling, because he seen it squirming around in a few corners.

Alonso has said the car is good but the engine isn't, quite simple. I have no doubt that Alonso would let it be known if the car was also bad, fundamentally bad.

Maybe Anderson is a McLaren fan and the frustration is clouding his judgement, like has happened to a lot of people!

[RS200E]

45 laps is not bad

Was 33 today before failure.

The Bos beat me to it

http://www.espn.in/f1/story/_/id/188605 ... -day-three

ESPN F1 shoing 45

'7. Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren - 1:21.348 - 33 laps'

[Vasconia]

Interesting that Anderson thinks he knows better than the drivers and the team boss about the cars handling, because he seen it squirming around in a few corners.

Alonso has said the car is good but the engine isn't, quite simple. I have no doubt that Alonso would let it be known if the car was also bad, fundamentally bad.

Maybe Anderson is a McLaren fan and the frustration is clouding his judgement, like has happened to a lot of people!

I don´t know how sure they can be about the chasis quality if they cannot push, as they have already said its difficult to judge car´s performance without going enough fast.

[RS200E]

McLaren back out on track.

[mclaren111]

Did 2 laps =D> =D>

F1 Today

[RS200E]

Interesting that Anderson thinks he knows better than the drivers and the team boss about the cars handling, because he seen it squirming around in a few corners.

Alonso has said the car is good but the engine isn't, quite simple. I have no doubt that Alonso would let it be known if the car was also bad, fundamentally bad.

Maybe Anderson is a McLaren fan and the frustration is clouding his judgement, like has happened to a lot of people!

I don´t know how sure they can be about the chasis quality if they cannot push, as they have already said its difficult to judge car´s performance without going enough fast.

More sure than Anderson can be.

[Phil]

Anyone else think that this public slamming of Honda by Eric and Alonso is not going to end well?

I understand that there must be an incredible amount of frustration going on, but this is still a team-effort. Publicly slamming your engine partner and supplier who is also at the same time financing a major part of the sponsorship and drivers salary isn't a good idea and it certainly isn't constructive. To me as an observer, it seems more like McLaren trying to defend its own "image" by laying the blame to Honda. "hey, it's not us, we have the best car, but it's that engine".

Either way, I foresee big trouble for McLaren if Honda decides to pull the plug some day. This sport is very much driven by image. I wouldn't want to push them too far. It's bad enough that they aren't performing. There is no "we" and "them" in a team-effort.

[the EDGE]

Anyone else think that this public slamming of Honda by Eric and Alonso is not going to end well?

I understand that there must be an incredible amount of frustration going on, but this is still a team-effort. Publicly slamming your engine partner and supplier who is also at the same time financing a major part of the sponsorship and drivers salary isn't a good idea and it certainly isn't constructive. To me as an observer, it seems more like McLaren trying to defend its own "image" by laying the blame to Honda. "hey, it's not us, we have the best car, but it's that engine".

Either way, I foresee big trouble for McLaren if Honda decides to pull the plug some day. This sport is very much driven by image. I wouldn't want to push them too far. It's bad enough that they aren't performing. There is no "we" and "them" in a team-effort.

I see nothing wrong with what Eric & Alonso have been saying, a/ its the truth, b/ if you read the full stories and not just the headlines or the sensationalised quotes version then what they have said is balanced c/ its time Honda produced a PU that works, they are a huge company with masses of experience & resource

Personally I don't think it will take long for them to get on top of these issues, but I doubt they progress any further up the grid this year. Still, this is a 10 year contract so I very much doubt Honda will pull the plug any time soon

[mclaren111]

Motorsport.com:
Green flow-viz on the rear wing of the McLaren. Still doing basic aero checks on day seven...
Ben Anderson

[RS200E]

I agree Phil but it's the truth and the public want to know the truth. Can you imagine they said nothing? Sure they could say "we don't have power or reliability", but everyone knows it has been a Honda failure so that would cause problems too. Best just to tell it as it is, and in my opinion Alonso and Eric have been quite reserved.

[RS200E]

Motorsport.com:
Green flow-viz on the rear wing of the McLaren. Still doing basic aero checks on day seven...
Ben Anderson

Wow even little Ben ripping into McLaren.

Everyone wants a piece now.

[Vasconia]

Interesting that Anderson thinks he knows better than the drivers and the team boss about the cars handling, because he seen it squirming around in a few corners.

Alonso has said the car is good but the engine isn't, quite simple. I have no doubt that Alonso would let it be known if the car was also bad, fundamentally bad.

Maybe Anderson is a McLaren fan and the frustration is clouding his judgement, like has happened to a lot of people!

I don´t know how sure they can be about the chasis quality if they cannot push, as they have already said its difficult to judge car´s performance without going enough fast.

More sure than Anderson can be.

Indeed, but I don´t to what extend I can believe what McLaren says, though Alonso is usually a more sincere guy.

[GoranF1]

Magnetti Marrelli is their supplier, but it's manufactured to Honda specifications. It took Renault the last half of 2015 and half of 2016 to get on top of their TJI system. Honda has had since Spa of last year, or about 7 months. Funny then that they expect their first major power unit upgrade by the Spanish GP, which would give them a similar lead time that Renault had to get to grips with their system.

Are you sure? Reports said no TJI on 2016 engine at all?